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<p>and the winner of the most reasonable argument goes to…</p>
<p>in the end, it’s an unfair system but what the hell can anyone besides the Regents do about it.</p>
<p>LOL first time visiting this site and i gotta say anonymous, I agree with you but you’re a di.ck. Yes, it’s unfair that CC students get in easier than HS students but like you said, it’s unfair and there’s nothing you can do about it. Why do you have to come on forums and bag on other CC kids? You, being a transfer student, should know that not all CC kids are dumbasses with a 2.8 gpa and that many of us got screwed by the system too. You have too much time on your hands to be spamming forums for someone who’s at berkeley… you just need to smoke some norcal bud and chill out</p>
<p>you know…i did it when I first got here but it never really caught on. I guess it was sh it weed that me and my friends bought. We just sat there waiting for everything to become funny…</p>
<p>it never did. :(</p>
<p>I really don’t think the system is that “unfair.” At the end of the day the transfer students can hack it just as well as the junior students who came in as freshman. From the point of view of Admissions that means the way their doing it currently is just fine and they are getting practically the same “caliber” of student. If it twists your nuts that you believe high school students worked harder and didn’t get into a certain school then you should advise them to take the cc route. You may think your arguments have been solid but it appears to me that everywhere it counts, they are based upon assumptions.</p>
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<p>Yes, most of my points are based on my assumptions but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong. I guess we’ll have to *agree to disagree<a href=“as%20much%20as%20I%20hate%20the%20phrase”>/I</a>.</p>
<p>^ You do realize there is no affirmative action in the state of California if that is what you’re referring to. The admission offices are prohibited from knowing the race of the applicants. but maybe i misread your comment</p>
<p>i ask a simple question in hopes to see if my, yes low gpa of 2.8, will somehow get me into ucsb. yes i agree some kid has probably worked harder at the high school level but that doesnt necessarily mean he deserves it more than i do. when your in high school your only priority is school. but when you turn 18 and end up at a jc life happens and you have to get a job and grow up. infact i did get into a university as a hs senior but i decided to stay home with my parents because of money and because i felt i was wasting a spot for someone who knew what they wanted to do when i wasnt really even sure. now that i know what i want im asking you guys weather you think i have a shot of getting in.</p>
<p>^ If you gave us your major, your unit count, both current and your predicted amount at time of transfer, and whether you will have completed all Pre Reqs and IGETC, I believe we could more accurately assess your chances. </p>
<p>These factors are important. A 2.8 can be an extremely good shot or little chance at all depending on your circumstances.</p>
<p>alright well i have:
gpa: 2.8, will be up to 3.2 after retake classes in winter
units: 38 completed by end of this fall, 60 by end of spring
major: poli sci, emphesison international relations
pre reqs: all but 2 business classes completed
igetc: plan to be completed by end of spring
id like to transfer this coming fall.</p>
<p>This is a flawed argument. CC students are high school students with some temporal offset. How can the system be unfair to high school students if all they need to do is coast through a few years at an “easy” CC and get in to a great school? </p>
<p>I’m a CC student - but I have also taken a few of those weeder courses at UCB through concurrent enrollment. Here is my take on their relative difficulty. First of all, there is a sizable variance in the difficulty in each CC, and perhaps more so between CCs. I’ve been to 3 CCs and have certainly found that some departments are much more rigorous. Now, I would say that my two Berkeley engineering weeder courses are toward the more difficult side of my educational experience, but they are certainly not the most difficult. There is one huge difference though. And that difference is the level of support that the UCB student gets. You have a lecture, a discussion, and a lab. You have GSIs that hold office hours. Before my last exam, the engineering honor society held a study session, where they basically gave a number of the answers that were to be found on that exam, verbatim. In sum, the number of support opportunities that a student has to get assistance with the subject matter help immensely. With that kind of support, there is ample opportunity stay on top of the subject matter/work load.</p>
<p>Now contrast this with the CC experience. You cover material that has been deemed by the UC as being equivalent (that is why it is articulated) and has a sometimes harder or sometimes easier academic framework. But what you don’t have is all of the extra support. You sink and swim on your own merits. There are no GSIs there to walk you through the material. Now consider that many CC students are swimming without any of that coddling while working full time jobs (as I do) or raising a family (as I do) and still manage to succeed. Hopefully (anon) you’ll find a measure of respect for the different life experiences and the paths that get people to their ultimate destination. </p>
<p>Just as an aside - when I hire people, it doesn’t matter to me whether they transfered to a good school from a CC or arrived there from high school. What matters to me is that they possess the appropriate technical skills and have the soft skills necessary to make working with them pleasant. I find that a general sense of decorum is infinitely more important than the circumstances of their lower division education. The restraint possessed by the original poster is actually quite admirable, considering the pejoratives thrown their way.</p>
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<p>w/ a 3.2 you’re fine for UCSB. the average GPA last semester for admitted students was a 3.14 and a little under 70% of all applicants were admitted ([UCSB</a> Admissions](<a href=“http://www.admissions.ucsb.edu/QuickFacts.asp]UCSB”>http://www.admissions.ucsb.edu/QuickFacts.asp)).
Does your CC not offer the 2 prereqs that are business classes? you could’ve signed a TAG with UCSB, there’s no GPA requirement. </p>
<p>either way, you’re in at UCSB. </p>
<p>And i agree with the poster above me who said that you showed restraint from all the sarcastic ■■■■■ that was said…sorry if I offended, didn’t mean to.</p>
<p>I honestly think it’s really stupid to go to any UC school as a freshman. Lower division courses are incredibly competitive and may not really be essential to your education. Also, you pay lots of money to get your general education. It does seem unfair, however, that people with low GPA’s , such as 2.8 - 3.5 get into these schools. I have friends who are , to put it mildly, intellectually challenged and have managed to transfer to the UC of their choice except Cal and UCLA. What is really interesting to note, is that people who transfer to Cal and UCLA, most of them with 3.8+ GPA’s, usually do exceptionally well as opposed to those who transfer to all other UC’s. I think I’d be better if all other “good” UC’s, and hopefully you know which ones I’m talking about, would only accept applicants with a competitive academic history, meaning 3.5 GPA+ in CC. I’m pretty sure this would benefit both the institutions and the students. Grr… I have to go to work I’ll say why it would benefit them later. =P</p>
<p>Yeah, TAG will get you in UCSB with a 3.2…</p>
<p>"“I honestly think it’s really stupid to go to any UC school as a freshman. Lower division courses are incredibly competitive and may not really be essential to your education. Also, you pay lots of money to get your general education. It does seem unfair, however, that people with low GPA’s , such as 2.8 - 3.5 get into these schools. I have friends who are , to put it mildly, intellectually challenged and have managed to transfer to the UC of their choice except Cal and UCLA. What is really interesting to note, is that people who transfer to Cal and UCLA, most of them with 3.8+ GPA’s, usually do exceptionally well as opposed to those who transfer to all other UC’s. I think I’d be better if all other “good” UC’s, and hopefully you know which ones I’m talking about, would only accept applicants with a competitive academic history, meaning 3.5 GPA+ in CC. I’m pretty sure this would benefit both the institutions and the students. Grr… I have to go to work I’ll say why it would benefit them later. =P”</p>
<p>I don’t understand the attitude of yours here. It’s dumb to pay for a good general education? Why did you say “also, you pay a lot of money to get your general education”?</p>
<p>You can go to a CC almost for free. Some, if not all, lower division UC courses are unnecessarily rigorous if your major is not related to that particular course. It seems more efficient to me to go to a CC, chose professors wisely, and then transfer to a UC. CCs are designed to provide the best possible GE according to your needs. I apologize for the apparent attitude, didnt mean to insult anyone.</p>
<p>well i couldn’t sign tag because im taking the transferable math course over spring and not this fall thus no tag :(. and for those two business classes i just wont have enough time to complete them. but i mean out of the 8 pre-reqs i will have finished 6 of them.</p>
<p>6 out of 8 is not bad, though if you had them all done I’d say you were solid. Regardless, you have a great shot, just keep your fingers crossed and have a couple back up plans because it’s not a lock.</p>
<p>anonymous, how long do you spend on this forum per day?
please answer honestly.</p>
<p>^He used his very first post on you…how special do you feel?</p>
<p>haha i feel so cool for being the one to start this thread haha</p>