<p>nah dude.. I have a girlfriend at berkeley. I dont dig casual bone sessions anyways, its so hollow. besides I dont drink to impress a horde of neandtherthal-like drones with warped masculine identities. Im into guitars and film and music and other artistic "gay" things. I dont fit in with the frat scene.</p>
<p>congrats on ucsc. not that u give a **** right :) . maybe Ill see you rushing for a dumbass frat at ucsc. that would be classic. lets both hope for sb alright ;)</p>
<p>kidicarus,</p>
<p>If i were ignorant, i wouldn't have anything to base my statement on. You are being ignorant for even saying that.</p>
<p>US news ranking has SB way ahead of SC. </p>
<p>People who go to SC are generally the ones that didn't get accepted anywhere but UCR. </p>
<p>Come on SC admits 80% of freshmen. everyone who meets minimum requirements gets in. It's a joke.
<a href="http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3958&profileId=1%5B/url%5D">http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3958&profileId=1</a></p>
<p>SB admits only 50%, which is still a lot. SB has the most nobel prize winners in the recent year. People actually dream about going there. </p>
<p>*I'd much rather go to a school thats has semi competitive admission over one that admitts any crackhead that applies. Being surrounded by intelligent people matters a lot everywhere u are. Thats the main reason i hate CC. I don't want another CC w/ a better social life where pretty much anyone can get in. *</p>
<p>TOP 50 Public Universities - 2005</p>
<p>1
UC Berkeley</p>
<p>2
Michigan
Virginia</p>
<p>4
UCLA</p>
<p>5
UNC</p>
<p>6
William & Mary</p>
<p>7
Wisconsin</p>
<p>8
UC-San Diego</p>
<p>9
Illinois</p>
<p>10
Georgia Tech</p>
<p>11
UC-Davis</p>
<p>12
UC-Irvine</p>
<p>13
UC-Santa Barbara</p>
<p>14
Texas
Washington</p>
<p>16
Penn State
Florida</p>
<p>18
Maryland</p>
<p>19
Rutgers
Georgia
Iowa</p>
<p>22
Miami
Ohio State
Purdue
Texas A&M</p>
<p>26
UConn
Delaware
Minnesota
Pittsburgh</p>
<p>30
Indiana
Michigan State</p>
<p>32
Clemson
SUNY-Binghamton
UC-Santa Cruz
Colorado
Virginia Tech</p>
<p>37
UC-Riverside</p>
<p>38
Iowa State</p>
<p>39
NC State
Alabama
Missouri</p>
<p>42
Auburn
Kansas
Tennessee
Vermont</p>
<p>46
Ohio
SUNY-College of Environmental Science & Forestry
Arizona
UMass
Nebraska
New Hampshire</p>
<p>heh even Riverside is ahead of some of the other state's college'\s....the UC system truly rocks...</p>
<p>highschoolda: comon are you sayin that UCSC doesn't have smart people...just because they have a high acceptance rate doesn't mean that it's a bad school or is filled with stupid people..</p>
<p>Fei, i never said that nor did i mean that.</p>
<p>I just said that i sincerely believe that SB is better than SC. And so do the majority of the people. I also believe it has more intelligent people partly b/c i have several friends who go there and do not like the majority of the people who surround them.</p>
<p>kidicarus wanted to pick a fight w/ me by calling me ignorant eventhough every available indicator states that SB is better than SC except maybe his personal prefference.</p>
<p>I have nothign against that school, but i wouldn't chose it over SB</p>
<p>Enough on that topic seriously.</p>
<p>but one also chooses colleges based on what the atmosphere...if it were me I would choose SC...the liberal laid back atmosphere is more appealing to me than the party school near the beach...to each his own</p>
<p>fei, thats fine. Like u stated in ur stats we are talking about 13 VS 32 ranked school. </p>
<p>I dunno really know about this so called "liberal atmosphere" and what it entails, but if it's something u really want. great.</p>
<p>dude what dont you understand... I dont and never will care about some bogus ranking system when choosing my college! The rankings are based on ******** criteria like acceptance rates anyways. And in any case, this was a forum about ucsc issues with admissions. No one asked for trolls to come in an start talking about which school was better. Bottom line is there really isnt a huge difference in the quality of education you recieve. UCSC is one of the top ten schools in the country whose students go on to graduate school. I believe it says something remarkable about the campus that even though it may not attract the academic elite they are able to achieve so much. Nasa recently gave UCSC a huge grant for all of its kick ass science departments. Every school has something its good for. And while SB is harder to get into, that doesnt mean its a better school. I have freinds who go there and love it and freinds who absolutely hate it. hell im even in the gauranteed program to SB which I believe has the same gpa req. as SC. UCSC is a great school. And your admittance rates for santa cruz are outdated, everyone knows they have been steadily dropping as the campus is gaining notoriety. Anyways, basically dude, it is sad that you would assume one university has smarter people. GPA and SAT's dont indicate intelligence as a lot of people just arent as motivated enough as others. Thats where UCSC is known for being a great school. They have a high acceptance rate but they offer some of the greatest education opportunities in the country. Even though their students have a lower academic profile, they end up accomplishing just as much and I think that says something great. IN any cse, I am getting bored talking about this. If you think UCSB is "better" than UCSC thats fine. We will just agree to disagree. SB is for you, SC is for me. It just bothers me that people think they are smarter because they go or want to go to a more selective school. There are flat out morons at every school. Who cares about this anyways, I want to know who got their acceptance to UCSC!!</p>
<p>kid-- listen to yourself... if you cant base a school on test scores, gpa or rankings then what can you base it on? how much pot is smoked? how many anti-bush rallies they have? how many women dont shave? you like ucsc, but you must admit...sb is a "better" school with "smarter" students. This is coming from a guy that just got admitted to ucsc.... i'm all about ucsc right now-- until i get accepted to a "better" school</p>
<p>1) lower rate of acceptance = smarter students? No. (UChicago is a bad school because it accepts around 40% of its applicants?)</p>
<p>2) UCSC: 69% admissions, 2004-05 freshman class.</p>
<p>3) "Better" is a subjective term. Better for whom? Better in terms of what? </p>
<p>4) "People who go to SC are generally the ones that didn't get accepted anywhere but UCR."
Um. No. No, no, no, no.</p>
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<p>Agreed.I don't really how how anyone can argue with a straight face on otherwise.</p>
<p>I know people who got 1400 on SAT. Are they smarter than me? ** HELL YES **</p>
<p>I know people who got 1000 on sat. Are they smarter than me. ** HELL NO **</p>
<p>I know people who took 5 AP in one year and maintained 4.0. Yes they are smarter.</p>
<p>Thats how we measure "smartness" based on grades, test scores, etc. Thats how universities base their admission on. Thats how i do it.</p>
<p>If u don't believe in that, i can start saying that Harvard is worse than Cal State Northridge. Hmm. Harvard admitts ~15% CSUN admitts 85% of applicants. I don't c the difference in the two schools. </p>
<p>ALthough there the margin of difference is not as high between SB and SC, there is a margin of difference. It is depicted in Acceptance rates, rankings, average GPA and test scores.</p>
<p>intelligence is not accurately measured by sat scores. ask anyone in psychology. If you think better gpa and higher test scores means better school, then you are right. i disagree with these catagorizations. There is a margin of difference between sc and sb, but it is not significant in any way. AT ALL.</p>
<p>You are a very ignorant person if you think someone with a lower sat score is less intelligent than you. Granted you must be smart in many ways to get a high score, but there are many gifted people with 1100's and 1200's with through the roof IQ's and many of these 1100's and 1200's are responsible for many breakthroughs in science, many nobel prize winners. If you are familiar with elementary psychology this shouldnt come as a suprise. Im really sick of these attacks anyways, this was a forum about ucsc admissions, why dont you guys politely start an SC bashing thread. Maybe you guys should consider some of the other things ive said instead of clutching to the gpa's and sat rankings. Bottom line, the only distinction grad schools see within the uc system are UCLA and Berkeley. SD is getting there though. As far as the supposed difference in the other schools, there is none, except in the fictional assumption that students with a higher gpa in terms of a few decimal points make a school better than another. If you believe this, then fine, SB is better. but I pity you and I think it is real sad that people cant recognize a great university that may not have the cream of the crop of students, yet boasts many academic accomplishments and competes with many other top schools in many disciplines. That is all from me. lets really change the subject to something more constructive, weve reached a dead end and this is supposed to be a positive forum anyways. thanks, (can someone help me out here jesus?!!?lol)</p>
<p>i agree SAT scores and GPA is NOT an indicator of intelligence....right now at my community college bio majors from UCI (who had 4.0+ GPA in HS) who are on academic probation are getting Ds and Fs in the introductory chem class...how do you explain that?</p>
<p>kidicarus,
In college and in AP classes people are very motivated. Most study same amount. If they do better than i did on a test and in all leads up to them getting a better GPA. *Yes they are smarter than me. * Is this approach flawless. No. But i believe in it most of the time.</p>
<p>If u're a collegel, u c GPA and SAT scores. You admitt the heighest. Why? U believe this applicant is the most qualified and will have the best chance of suceeding.</p>
<p>fei, there are few exception. But again most of time people who have better GPA in the same classes and have scored higher on the same SAT score that u took are smarter than u. IMO that is. ANd guess what what, in colleges' opinion as well.</p>
<p>Your reasoning of intelligence level is a load of ********. Grades and test scores don't mean anything. It all depends on how much time you spend on it. I maintained a 3.2 gpa all through high school. According to your criteria, i am dumber than a highschool 4.0. Most of m friends went of to ucs, I went to ucsc. I now have a 4.0 gpa at UCSC. None of my friends are even close ( from UCLA, berkeley, UCSB, Davis and UCSD). Am I suddenly smarter than them? no. I am just applying myself more. I am dumber than them for not getting into a prestigious school? Absolutely not. I am as capable as anyone of them. </p>
<p>kidicarus is absolutely right, all those ratings are useless. If you go outside of california, santa cruz, sana barbara, irvine, davis san diego mean the same for people. Just another UC. The only berkeley and to some extent, ucla maintains any prestige. </p>
<p>Incidently, most people picking between UCSC and UCSB do so only based on where your from. I am from the bay area, considering both are pretty much the same, I applied to ucsc instead of ucsb. I could have easily gotten into ucsb as a friend of mine with similar gpa and lower sat scores got in to ucsb. I didnt want to go to ucsb because it would be too far away. If you look at the student demographics, i garuntee most ucsb stdents are from mid and socal. most ucsc students are from norcal. Its that simple. I wouldnt be surprised if the lower admittance rate at ucsb is simply based on a greater number of people applying for pretty much the same number of seats. Since the population of the socal is twice that of norcal, SB is definitely going to have more applicants than ucsc. Hence lower admittance rates. </p>
<p>Having nobel laureates at sb also doesn't mean anything. UCSC is known for its undergraduate program. There are very few graduate students at UCSC. As an undergrad to sb, your going to get the same education as sc, having laureates at sb isnt going to change that. </p>
<p>Ratings dont mean anything. Grad schools arent going to look whether you went to ucsc and ucsb, its all the same to them. only your gpa/test scores matter. And your employer isnt going to care whether ucsb ranks higher than ucsc.</p>
<p>oh i forgot to mention, I was in IB, throughout high school, its not necessarily true that everyone spends the same amoutn of time studying. I was working less than 2 hours a day to get my Bs. The people who got straight As through IB did so by spending hours and hours, including working late into the night. I got 8 hours of sleep through most of my junior year.</p>
<p>majnags,</p>
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<p>Sure colleges are stupid. They use that idiotic stuff for admission. They are trully dumbases. EVery single 4.0 student is just as smart as a 2.0.</p>
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I now have a 4.0 gpa at UCSC. None of my friends are even close ( from UCLA, berkeley, UCSB, Davis and UCSD).
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<p>Ok u're comparing the competiton for grades at LA and Berkley w/ Santa Cruz. They all are taking different classes from u w/ different instructor in harder schools. Now u wish to compare ur GPA w/ theirs. Very Very wise thing to do.</p>
<p>All the people that came up w/ ratings are complete dumbasses. U're so wise. what ever u say. Forget all the critiria applied to everyone like grades and GPA. U're special.</p>
<p>Did you even read the entire post?</p>
<p>Your taking comments I made out of their context. </p>
<p>The main point here is that sb isnt any more "prestigious" than any of the other UCs, except berkeley and ucla. don't feel special just because you were accepted there. </p>
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Sure colleges are stupid. They use that idiotic stuff for admission. They are trully dumbases. EVery single 4.0 student is just as smart as a 2.0.
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<p>I never said that. All i said is grades don't necessarily measure your intelligence. </p>
<p>If you can't give a good counter argument, don't say anything at all, you sound less stupid that way.</p>