<p>Transfer...I would like to see where you get the idea that Wisconsin produces more research than Cal. Do you have any sources/facts? I highly doubt that you are correct.</p>
<p>ab_med, I wouldnt give much though to Transfer. </p>
<p>One of his claims is that Wisconsin blows UCSD away in its business programs. Of course its business program is better than UCSD, because UCSD has no business program!!</p>
<p>"While I agree, it seems that many Californians use it as a safety if they cant get into the top UCs, in a way like UMich, I do think people outside of California, particularly in the Midwest, look upon Wisconsin highly, with the top public schools in the nation, at the least right below them, and better than UCSD."</p>
<p>Wisconsin cannot be compared to Michigan. Wisconsin is used as a safety for californians who cannot get into berkeley ucla ucsd. While i feel Wisconsin is an excellent university, i dont believe it is on Michigans level. Michigans students, overall are of a higher caliber. Drab you seen to think Wisconsin is thought of amongst the best publics but UCSD isnt. Maybe you are thinking about athletics. That is strange since academically litterely every ranking has UCSD above Wisconsin and at the top 6 or 7 publics in the country. Yet you keep implying UCSD is not looked at as a top public. I have never heard anyone make that argument before. Although where Wisconsin stands on the public heirarchy is debatable, i feel just slightly below the likes of William and Mary and UCSD, and just above UIUC, Georgia Tech, it is clearly below the likes of Michigan and UCLA, UCSD and William and Mary. Wisconsin has countless great programs, many of a very high rank. Therefore, i feel it belongs slightly below top tier UC's (UC Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD) and slightly above mid tier UC's (UCI, UCSB, UC Davis). I believe this is refected by numerous rankings, including US News.</p>
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Drab you seen to think Wisconsin is thought of amongst the best publics but UCSD isnt. Maybe you are thinking about athletics. That is strange since academically litterely every ranking has UCSD above Wisconsin and at the top 6 or 7 publics in the country. Yet you keep implying UCSD is not looked at as a top public. I have never heard anyone make that argument before.
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<p>What are you defining as "top publics?" If it's a broad 10-15 schools, I endorse no such claim. Perhaps even if it's 8 or so school. I did not imply it is not looked at as top- it depends on how top top is, really. What I do claim is that outside of California, you're far more likely to find Wisconsin higher on a list of top public schools that UCSD. I think US News is pretty crappy in some ways, but you like it, and I have a 2004 US News at my fingertips. In it, Wisconsin ranked .4 higher in peer assesment, 4.3 over UCSD's 3.9. That difference is substantial. UCSD beat it in many areas, such as selectivity and number of students in the top 10%, and Wisconsin has a much smaller student to faculty ratio (13:1 compared to UCSD's 19:1). I think the peer assesment makes a big statement about how people see Wisconsin, or at least did in 2004. Do you have newer rankings handy? Could you show all of those rankings that put Wisconsin academically above UCSD, since they are so numerous? Could you trace how Wisconsin has compared to UCSD in your precious US News, as it is tied in 2004. How did it fair in other years, say, over the past 15, from 2006 back?</p>
<p>from what i understand this post is not about wisconsin and ucsd 15 years ago, or even 2 years ago, it is about right now. this is especially important including that ucsd is only approx 40 years old. if you check the number of top ten and top twenty grad programs in us news and nrc, you will see ucsd has more than wisconsin. The rankings i am talking about include NRC, US News, Times Higher, Shanghai Jiaotong Top 500 World University Ranking, ect.... I am not a big ranking guy, but these rankings clearly back up my point.</p>
<p>US News famously has schools bounce around. Looking at more than just one year makes more sense than only one year, but fine, throw history out the window, and taking only one ranking in mind from one particular year, UCSD is 34, Wisconsin 36, therefore </p>
<p>UCSD >>>>>>>>>>>>Wisconsin. </p>
<p>Makes sense.</p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p>
<p>I am not saying there is a huge difference in the schools, but i believe ucsd is a superior university. the rankings between the schools is not huge, especially not in us news. im not sure why you are so defensive regarding wisconsin. it is a very well respected university, i am applying there for grad school, but i still feel academically it is not in the same league as ucsd, and that its average student is also not comparable to the average ucsd student.</p>
<p>i believe over time this will continue to become more and more prevalent.</p>
<p>I am not defensive, or don't think I am. I am actually sort of tired of the conversation. I have no direct ties to either school, but am a Californian with friends at UCSD. I think many are overly Californiacentric, and they forget other equally good schools exist. I think Wisconsin is more well-rounded than UCSD. I would much rather go to UCSD though, mainly because of the location and weather. I do think Wisconsin is seen more highly than UCSD in many ways, although in some UCSD is seen more highly than Wisc, but Wisconsin wins overall, or perahaps they're basically equal overall. I really don't know if the average student is stronger at either school- I'd place my bet on UCSD, perhaps, but it seems the best students from Wisconsin are more accomplished thant he best students from UCSD, and this might have to do with Berkeley and UCLA taking many of the best students, and Wisconsin being its state flagship. It is pretty amazing that UCSD is as good as it is considering that it is about 40 years old, although Berkeley and UCLA and the whole system's reputation and resources did help support and create it.</p>
<p>What's your field?</p>