<p>check uc berkeley, ucla, ucsd, Illinois, and ut austin, their oos % is similar to uf, yet they rank higher than uf. uf wants to be a top 10 public research school, but almost all of the rankings based on the merit of the students not revenue.</p>
<p>sorry, but you are wrong on one front. Revenue is important. while the oos % (of the four schools you mentioned) may be similiar to that at UF, in state residents pay considerably more in those states then do florida residents . </p>
<p>don't get me wrong. it's good for florida residents that the in state tuition is so low and in fact free for many who qualify for bright futures. UF is a great school and certainly difficult to get into, however it appears to me that rising in the national rankings seems important to both the university and many students who attend. given that consideration, the school needs more $$$$$. I guess you are saying that the way to rise in the rankings is to continue to raise adnission standards. </p>
<p>I disagree. yes admission standards are important, but so is revenue. for example, being able to lower the student teacher ratio would help UF to rise in the rankings, but where is the money going to come from to fund the hiring of additional professors? As I said in my original post, UF can freeze freshman admission at a lower level (say 3,000 or so), raise their admission standards and that would most likely result in a rising in the rankings. the other option i put forward was to increase the oos population. both would allow florida residents to continue to pay such a low in state tutition. Baring that, I think the only other option is to raise in state tuition significantly and take away bright futures. However, if you do this, then many highly qualified florida residents would opt to attend other universities offering better financial incentives.</p>
<p>let's be honest, many of the students who attend uf have wanted to go there for a long time and truly want to be a gator. However, there are also many students (while they may not admit it on this board) who go to UF over other highly ranked oos schools because its free. This is a good reason to go to UF, but i think that would change if in state tution doubled or trippled and bright futures was off the table. </p>
<p>according to us news and world report in state tuition and fees are as follows:</p>
<p>Texas in state tuition is nearly $7.670 (4%)</p>
<p>berkeley in state is $8,384 (oos 10%)</p>
<p>illinois in state is $10,503 (oos 7%)</p>
<p>uc san diego in state is $8,305 (5%)</p>
<p>UF in state is $3,256 (5%)</p>
<p>of the remaining public universities ranked higher than UF (12 other schools in addition to the one's you mentioned)) in the most recetn us news report,
all of them charge significantly higher in state tuition and most accept a much higher % of oos students.</p>
<p>sorry, but you are wrong on one front. Revenue is important, but not to rankings. the schools i mentioned gives out way more scholarships than uf, and recently uf has been tried to reduce scholarships. if u really know anything about tuition u know u dont just look for the lowest tuition out of schools, u look for the best bargain, the amount u pay after fin aid.</p>
<p>and btw uf has gottened cocky, just b/c their atheletic success</p>
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<p>Yes it is. To lower the student to prof ratio, to have more profs teaching and less TA's, you need cash. Cash also affects things that ultimately result in how others look at/think of UF and that does affect the rankings tremdously with regards to the peer assessments (which is a large component of the USNews rankings.) The
USNews rankings also includes faculty resources and financial resources.</p>
<p>I agree that Florida tuition is too low, and I am a Floridian. If our instate tuition is $3500 a year, and other top schools is $7500-10,000, that is huge. Take 24,000 undergrads, and double or triple instate tuition, and you would have a HUGE cash infusion to use to improve things that DIRECTLY effect the rankings.</p>
<p>Just sent a check in to the Capital Campaign. I figured with two kids at UF and getting Bright Futures, it's almost shameful for me to not contribute. I'd be paying a lot more OOS.</p>
<p>I don't think you can just increase the number of OOS admits without diluting student quality. At present, and contrary to much popular wisdom, in-state and out-of-state admission standards are claimed to be equal by the admissions office. So...to increase revenue by increasing OOS students would mean an overall lowering of student standards...and, even worse, would mean OOS students would be admitted over more-qualified in-state students.</p>
<p>I don't see any shortcuts here...tuition has to go up if the student-teacher ratio is going to be improved.</p>
<p>bkane</p>
<p>i didn't mean that revenue actually shows up on the rankings as a category, but rather that revenue helps a university to provide more services and teachers and all that money can contribute to a higher ranking.</p>
<p>rogracer. i am not sure what your source of information is for stating that oos applicants are weaker candidates then in state students. There are many strong academic oos students who apply to the florida schools. I am not sure why you think that an oos student applying to UF would be a weaker candidate then an in state student? </p>
<p>Don't misunderstand my comments. I am not saying that UF has to accept more oos students, let alone weak academic students. I merely am saying that one potential solution to improving the academic ranking of UF is to increase the oos population (More $$$). most of the public universities ranked higher then UF have already done so and have benefited from doing so.</p>
<p>There are other options, some of which i discussed in my other post.</p>
<p>double play-</p>
<p>Bright futures is funded by the florida lottery. If you want to contribute, buy a lotto ticket!</p>
<p>I believe that I have already contributed to the gov. grants through property/sales taxes (we don't have state income tax in Florida either).</p>
<p>There are pros and cons. Reduce the class size and increase out of state students and the school gets more revenue and probably becomes more prestigious. Great news for us overachievers in this state, bad news for Average Joe who gets stuck in community college.</p>
<p>Keep at this rate and UF will be just another college with a bunch of drunk students in dorm parties.</p>
<p>Liist-</p>
<p>change "be" to "stay" haha</p>
<p>NYcollegedad...guess I wasn't clear. I didn't say that OOS students are weaker...I said that present admission standards are the same for in-state and out-of-state students. If I understood you correctly, you proposed increasing revenue by increasing OOS enrollment. What I <em>tried</em> to say was in order to do that you will have to accept more OOS students...and that implies you will need to lower the admission standard for them to something less than that for in-state students.</p>
<p>You know also that by buying a lotto ticket you also DECREASE the funding for public education, right? By buying a lotto ticket, the money is used to fund bright futures. However, whatever money the lotto makes, the government takes away from the education budget. In essence, the lotto funding replaces what would have been allocated to education by the government. For example, if a million dollars are made in the lotto, that money will go to bright futures. Then, the government takes away a million dollars from the K12 education budget because it technically raised that money through other means. Therefore, because the lotto is restricted to bright futures, you have a decreasing K12 budget. Paradox, huh?</p>
<p>rogracer</p>
<p>first of all, despite what admissions says, i do not believe that all applicants are pooled together. with data mining being used, i am sure that oos applicants are analyzed independent of in state. </p>
<p>The reality is that UF makes a minimal effort at best in trying to attract oos students to apply. I understand why. the priority is to service in state florida residents. This approach would need to change if they truley wanted to increase oos enrollment.</p>
<p>admissions has also said that the reason that so few oos students attend is because so few apply. i think this actually may be true. where we live, the florida state schools never attend any college fairs and make a no effort (which i understand) to attract oos students. </p>
<p>If they opt to try and increase oos enrollment, then they certainly will need to make a bigger effort at competing for the oos students. This would both increase the number of oos applicants and attract more "higer quality" students. I would never suggest that an oos student with a weaker admissions profile get admitted over an in state resident with better qualifications. this would not make sense to me. That being said, I am sure if given the proper attention, UF could attract many highly qualified oos students who would not take away a spot from an in state resident.</p>
<p>Liist....</p>
<p>there are other options for students who don't qualify for UF other then community college (not that community college is a bad thing). The state of florida has many great state universities geared for a wide range of students.</p>
<p>UF isn't right for everyone</p>
<p>You know, I am sort of jumping into the middle of a few arguments, but I would like to say as an honors student at UF that many of the students in the honors program are attending the university not because it is the college they've aspired to, but because it is free. One thing that could happen if tuition increases dramatically is that these students who elevate the standards of UF will opt for other schools. While I don't think that UF would make a huge change in tuition, I do think that this is a possiblity. More than this, however, I want to stress that they are increasing tuition by a small chunk and Bright Futures is dying a slow and painful death. This is making many students question whether they can stay in university; I know I am wondering how I will pay for my books, even with private scholarships.
As far as increasing out of state enrollment, there is simply too much working against that right now. For one thing, like someone mentioned the lack of attendance at college fairs, there is little interest in out of state kids to come to UF. Also, there is a HUGE opposition to allowing out of staters acquire a quality education while a slightly lower-scoring Florida student who would have had a shot at being a Gator is pushed into one of the other Florida schools. If more out of state applications start rolling in, then the pool increases and standards will inevitably rise, just as we have seen in recent years with a mostly Floridian population. </p>
<p>In the end, I suppose my rambling comes down to: higher tuition means less students able to afford who should be in the school; more OOS means less Floridians being able to attend equals major upset.</p>
<p>If state tuition goes up it goes up for all the schools, so an increase would make all the schools less affordable. If they allow to raise fees individually, then that's a different story.</p>
<p>If HYP raises tuition by $1000, that's a 3% increase. If Florida raises tuition by $1000 that's a 30% increase (for OOS it's 6%). Politicians love statistics.</p>
<p>small hijack, but a correction of a previous post....</p>
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<p>You mentioned UT Austin as one of your examples - they don't give much scholarship money at all! My oldest is at UF because he got a better scholarship package than UT (and we are Texas residents). My middle son is a freshman at UT, valedictorian, high test scores, major ec's and awards and didn't get a penny! But, he wanted to be a Longhorn, so we're paying full instate freight which is actually over $9,000 a year, not counting room, board, books, etc. (just paid UT for this semester - a little over 4500), they don't tell you in USNews about all the hidden fees and costs!</p>
<p>UF is a bargain and a wonderful school, I wish Texas had a "bright futures" concept, but there is nothing like it.</p>
<p>^ Not true: Georgia has the Hope Scholarship.</p>
<p>I didn't say anything about Georgia, I was only speaking about Texas, which I am very familiar with, being a TEXAS resident</p>
<p>haha this is gotta be the most intense CC thread ever</p>
<p>gatorgirl is right, more oos means disadvantage for floridians and i certainly dont wanna see our bright future die in the near future.</p>
<p>nydad uf is a state school, its priority gotta be floridian first</p>
<p>bkane</p>
<p>i agree. as a state school its priority should be to floridians first. all i was trying to say was that in my opinion, if florida wants to continue to rise the national rankings, they are going to need more revenue, and/or cut enrollment to a level where student / teacher ratios come down.</p>
<p>appealing to and increasing oos enrollment was one way of achieving this without having to raise tuition or cut bright futures. The additional revenue could be used to hire more teachers. Another option other than in increasing oos enrollment is to increase tuition for in state residents to be more in line with most other state public universities that are ranked higher then UF.</p>
<p>Believe me, the last thing i would want to do is have an oos student take a spot from an instate applicant.</p>
<p>of course UF need not do anything and can maintain the status quo. remain where they are in the rankings or languish lower. I don't think this is a bad way to go either. but for those who think rankings are important and getting into the top 5-10 public universities is a goal, then something will need to give.</p>