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<p>well, how fast when you say you are not chinese in one ounce of blood.</p>

<p>Where are your parents come from?
Who were they?</p>

<p>In 1932, there was a sign says "Chinese and dog cannot go in"</p>

<p>After that, some Chinese want to change, they don't want to be a Chinese anymore, they want to change</p>

<p>instead of actually working hard and make themselve strong.</p>

<p>Look at a mirror</p>

<p>Look into your eyes.</p>

<p>No one will trust you but a Chinese.</p>

<p>People will call you Chinese.</p>

<p>And YOU ARE A DESCENDENT of the Chinese.</p>

<p>well, go ahead, walk your way. Just that, after 20 years, Don't look out of the window.</p>

<p>And wonder why you have lost.</p>

<p>Separating yourself from Chinese, denying the fact of who you are is not the solution.</p>

<p>Nor will it make you strong.</p>

<p>we once treat you like our own brother, but you betrayed us again and again.</p>

<p>after all, the "Fascist" nationalist government, who came from China, BROUGHT you propersity.</p>

<p>and now you try to act like a superior person. </p>

<p>go ahead, act like one, but don't spewing out the theory that you hold the day you have to work for a person from mainland, for he may fire you right on the spot when he hears that ********.</p>

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<p>Maybe I'm Uigur from Taiwan, who hate Chinese for pressing my land, for its "chinesiation", for killing my people and occupying my terrirtory.</p>

<p>China was 1/4 of what it is now. It exopanded. The world must help to return you to your real borders.</p>

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<p>Uh no... China used to be much larger, it included Korea, parts of Russia, and mongolia. I don't know you're spouting again. Stop making up things.</p>

<p>And yeah, everyone has the right to protest, no matter who organizes them, even though I highly doubt peace protesters are connected with anti-american-communist forces in the east, rofl. On the news there were a several articles about how PEACEFUL, NONVIOLENT protesters were arrested. Not ones trying to over throw the govt, even so, does the USA have the right to arrest them? Its been criticizing China for arresting them.</p>

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<p>you americans are all idiots.
if you actually took the time to study chinese history instead of reading and watching your crap american fox news stuff, you'd understand why china implemented the anti-secession bill.
just like how americans don't want non-american to intefere with their policies, i think i speak for all chinese ppl when i say we don't want any non-chinese to come in and tell us what is right and what is wrong.
you guys can all have your opinions, but no one gives a damn about you.
Taiwan will always be a part of the PRC.</p>

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<p>"I'll be interested to see how F15/F16 performs against J10/Su27/Su30, providing Japan send its forces."</p>

<p>It was 1:1 in the Gwalior, India exercises (Su-30).</p>

<p>The F-22 will probably be ready in time for a Taiwan conflict, the first squadron of F-22s will be ready in Dec 2005 (I'm not sure if this is before or after budget cuts). The F-22 is 300:0 in testing with the F-15, 80:1 with the F-16. Both in matchups of ~4-8 F-15/F-16s per F-22.</p>

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<p>"you americans are all idiots."</p>

<p>What an offense! I'll answer. You chinese are all imbeciles. Agree? Do you think when you write? Such ppl like you don't deserve to coinhabit this planet - racists, imperialists and nationalists, who don't respect the freedom and democracy. War with china!!!!</p>

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<p>What time are you saying about?</p>

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<p>"What time are you saying about?" <- only an american would use such poor English... oh wait, you speak American. my bad.</p>

<p>I do think when I write. I thought about YOU when I wrote that. Of course my statement was a huge generalization (there are a lot of great, friendly and smart American's out there), but you don't happen to be one.</p>

<p>Sorry.</p>

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<p>Why are you taking offense if you aren't American? I thought you just said you were Taiwanese. I'm sure there are many Americans who can defend themselves on this forum, there is no need for you to.</p>

<p>I was talking in response to your: </p>

<p>"China was 1/4 of what it is now. It exopanded. The world must help to return you to your real borders."</p>

<p>So any time before the present day. I can name off the top of my head, during the Han dynasty, I'm sure there were times after that when China's borders were advanced beyond present day's. Yeah, I know I'm right. </p>

<p>And 1/4 of what it is today? That is bull, unless you count the spheres of influence by western countries, those were illegitimate. Or if you go back 5000 years ago when humans were just developing.</p>

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<p>Beijing - north capital. Now it's not that north. All western china was occupied. Present North China was occupied.</p>

<p>I'm not American, but I have strong relationship with Americans, and WILL defend them, if they can't do it. They are too loyal, they don't want to realize that China is the largest threat ever. More dangerous than Mongols. But they're not guilty; the politicians and mass media are. </p>

<p>Americans must defend the western culture (which is in danger), and my nation, europe and all western civilization will help them.</p>

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<p>Just an FYI.... beijing is still in northern china lol... sure there is heilong jiang and nei meng gu, and whatever, but they doesn't mean its north. Beijing is in HeBei, which is "North of the River." That what they meant, its in the northern portion of China.</p>

<p>They are too loyal? They've been surpressing China since the 1800s, with the spheres of influence and that crap. I don't see where you get loyalty. </p>

<p>And your country helping the USA? No offense, but obviously its Taiwan which needs the USA's help. I don't see how the USA would need Taiwan's help at all. I hate to break it to you, but Taiwan is obviously just a pawn in the confrontation between the USA and China. </p>

<p>I find it ironic how you try to make it seem like everyone is against China, especially after the EU's recent decision to sell weapons to China. I'm pretty sure much of Europe is sick of the USA's role as global police, especially after Iraq. The USA's disapproval ratings are as high as 75% in Europe. The only major European country I could see aiding the USA in the event of a USA-China-Taiwan War is Great Britain. France and Germany both have overwhelmingly large disapproval ratings of the US.</p>

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<p>Europe once WAS a superpower, and a world police, so they're over. So let it stop saying stupidities about America. They MUST help USA, otherwise they would be the enemies. I think USA is able to conquer both Europe and China :) joking, coz they don't need to conquer europe.. i hope</p>

<p>Where did I say that I'm from Taiwan?</p>

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<p>There is such a thing as being neutral you know? The swiss were neutral in WWII and they weren't enemies of the allies. I don't know where you get this "you're either with us or against us idea." Thats going to push alot of people over the edge if the US takes your view.

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"I'm not Chinese in none ounce of blood. My nation is my nation, and Chinese are Chinese. Don't try to put 'em together. And I'm proud of it."

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<p>You sound very Taiwanese.</p>

<p>And you never addressed my point about the protesters. The USA doesn't have a high ground when it comes to morals, so what else can it claim? Not freedom, not liberty. Its not bringing any of that stuff in the media-spun-propaganda.</p>

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<p>The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
-Thomas Jefferson</p>

<p>That's it.</p>

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<p>Just to not let you guys confused, Taiwanese people are Taiwanese. We won't look back. We don't feel the same connection as you. We've moved on since our ancestors.</p>

<p>Oh, and didn't stardragon say he is from Eastern Turkestan, or for you Chinese people, Xinjiang Uygur?
Stardragon "Maybe I'm Uigur from Taiwan, who hate Chinese for pressing my land, for its "chinesiation", for killing my people and occupying my terrirtory."</p>

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<p>I don't think you guys understand. Its not like people in China have any real use for Taiwan, you guys are just a small island, no offense. But if the USA were to establish a base in Taiwan, it would be a major threat to China. </p>

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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
-Thomas Jefferson</p>

<p>That's it.

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<p>Posting a quote relating to liberty still doesn't explain why protesters should be suppressed. The protesters have the right to express their views, they are indeed legitimate views. Are their views a threat to the lives of other people? No. Are they a threat to the govt? Possibly, but is that so wrong? Are we no longer allowed to challenge the government? Is it suddenly the new god? Is it so wrong to doubt the loss of over 15,000 lives over the Iraq war?</p>

<p>Your statements are completely contradictory, by your standards, protesters should not be allowed to challenge the government(its okay to arrest peaceful protesters), while the Taiwanese should be allowed to challenege the Chinese govt(its not okay to arrest anti-govt. dissidents). I smell some double standards. </p>

<p>Isn't this freedom of speech what the founders of the USA fought for? Its already been refreshed with blood. The current government is revoking those very freedoms, which have been bought with blood of the forefathers of America. </p>

<p>The USA is being hypocritical, suppressing its protesters, while criticizing China for its human rights abuses. Who are you guys to say that the USA is right about its governing policies, while China is right? And who are you to so that the USA has the right to interfere, even if China's policies are wrong?</p>

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<p>hmm stardargon is a uigur? that probably explains things.. he will definitely sympathize with the taiwanese since he feels oppressed... and an independent taiwan will probably make it easier for xinjiang to gain independence as well...</p>

<p>too bad it's not happening in the near future... or in our lifetime. </p>

<p>maybe when china isn't communist anymore... but who knows when that is!</p>

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<p>sentient89, I'm sure those peaceful protesters broke some kind of law. such as, obstructing traffic, other people, encroaching the police, etc. the police can't arrest people for peaceful protesting. in addition, you need permission for public demonstration, peaceful or not. they can't get arrested for simply protesting, there has to be some other thing they did while protesting.</p>

<p>"I don't think you guys understand. Its not like people in China have any real use for Taiwan, you guys are just a small island, no offense."</p>

<p>Please read post #100.</p>

<p>"maybe when china isn't communist anymore... but who knows when that is!"</p>

<p>I don't think it matters. I think the people want freedom to rule themselves. Same goes for Taiwan. Even if China drops communism, we still would be seeking international recognition. It's not about communism, it's about freedom.</p>

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<p>You're wrong about that. I really don't think anyone in China cares that much about "pride," even if there was some pride involved, the safety of the country is the driving force behind its aims.</p>

<p>The police cannot arrest people for peaceful protesting, but they are allowed to detain people that they suspect are a threat to national security, sometimes they use this excuse to legally detain protesters. The gov't has the right to indefinitely detain people who it suspects are terrorists.</p>

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<p>I don't think safety is the primary concern for China to obtain Taiwan. Tell me then, why is China trying to swallow Taiwan? If they really don't want the US to establish miliary bases, then why not express that to the US instead of threatening Taiwan?</p>

<p>Chinese people don't care that much about pride? Are you sure yelling "5000 years of Chinese civilization!" wouldn't rally the family?</p>

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<p>When has the USA ever listened to the views of another country? Even its allies? What happened with the war in Iraq? The US completely ignored pleas from other countries.</p>