<p>It still doesn't require threatening Taiwan. I mean, if it's really about the safety of China, the threat of invasion of a communist country on a democratically-ruled island isn't going to stop the US from establishing a military base. And if you think about it, doesn't that give the US more reason to?</p>
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<blockquote> <p>When has the USA ever listened to the views of another country? Even its allies? What happened with the war in Iraq? The US completely ignored pleas from other countries.<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>Stop speculating Iraq topic. This is absolutely right, and every who doesn't support it is just stupid and don't understand the situation in the world.
15000 deaths? are you counting Iraqis.</p>
<p>First of all, I have been to America. I lived there for a while, I know many people from there. And it is a country of freedom. I breathed the freedom. Now I understand why so many people died defending it.
How can you compare with China?</p>
<p>Squadrons of Chinese people were moved by govt in Xinjiang to mix with little nation Uigurs, They killed it, turned to Chinese. Do you think it can be somewhere in USA?</p>
<p>As I've said earlier, if you want to prove the US is evil, use something else other than the Iraq war. Because, when Bush's term is over, Bush would be gone, and the war would be history as well, but the US would still be the US. See my point? You're not gonna let the period of communism overshadow China's glorious 5000 year history, are you? (Well, unless you think communism is a good thing for China).</p>
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<p>Stop speculating Iraq topic. This is absolutely right, and every who doesn't support it is just stupid and don't understand the situation in the world.
15000 deaths? are you counting Iraqis.
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<p>Yeah, I counted the deaths of Iraqis as well. Is there anything wrong with that? Last time I checked Iraqis were still humans.</p>
<p>By your logic about 75%+ of the world is stupid? Some where around 75%+ of the human population is against the war. Over 20 million people took the streets in protest of the Iraq war, I'm sure all of those 20 million people were anti-war-hippies.</p>
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How can you compare with China?
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<p>I've lived in the USA my entire life. No offense, but I think its safe to say my understanding of it surpasses that of yours. I don't see how you can "see/breathe" freedom. I stayed in China for over 2 years, I didn't see the rights of the people violated anywhere either, it wasn't that different from the USA, except the people were poorer, and there were lots more people. If the Chinese government was as brutal and oppressive as you described, why are you allowed to make anti-China posts on this internet forum, while in China? Shouldn't the "secret police" be at your door right now?</p>
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<p>The exact same thing happened in North America several hundred years ago. Except it was white people killing mass amounts of Indians. How can you forget?</p>
<p>The exact same thing happened in North America several hundred years ago.</p>
<p>Exactly.. hundred. If to say about China, it was I think 20 years ago. So let's not compare two different periods. This was after UN and all those human rights laws were ratified.</p>
<p>I've lived in the USA my entire life. No offense, but I think its safe to say my understanding of it surpasses that of yours.</p>
<p>Maybe, but you have nothing to compare with. Your living in China cannot reveal all "underneath" secrets.
I'm not in China. About your "police" question.</p>
<p>By your logic about 75%+ of the world is stupid?</p>
<p>There is such countries, which really lose alot in Iraqi war (Russia, China, Arabs). Their protests against that war is natural. But europe and USA only gain, that's why their people, protesting against the war, are stupid in some way (in understanding of geopolitical issues). Yeah</p>
<p>"Exactly.. hundred. If to say about China, it was I think 20 years ago. So let's not compare two different periods. This was after UN and all those human rights laws were ratified."</p>
<p>So its okay as long as its several hundred years ago? </p>
<p>By that logic, China should take over Taiwan, kill everyone there, and settle people there and wait a few hundred years? That suddenly makes it okay? I sense some holes.</p>
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<p>"Maybe, but you have nothing to compare with. Your living in China cannot reveal all "underneath" secrets.
I'm not in China. About your "police" question."</p>
<h2>And By the same logic, your living in the USA will not reveal all the "underneath " secrets, so you wouldn't really have anything to compare with. In truth, I doubt either one of us has any knowledge about the secret workings of the governments, so I don't feel that either one of us is in the position to talk about "freedoms" in individual countries.</h2>
<p>"There is such countries, which really lose alot in Iraqi war (Russia, China, Arabs). Their protests against that war is natural. But europe and USA only gain, that's why their people, protesting against the war, are stupid in some way (in understanding of geopolitical issues). Yeah"</p>
<p>Only the big corporations with oil investments in those countries stand to lose money. I don't think the common people care about the losses of big oil corporations. Its just like that in the USA. If you were to ask random people in the USA if they cared about the profits of halliburton, exxon mobile, and bp, I'm willing to bet most wouldn't care.</p>
<p>Forget about oil. I say about geopolitical issues. Controlling Iraq make it easier to control Iran. USA will control Israel, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, i.e. entire Middle East. And as Brzezinski said "Who controls Middle Esat, controls Eurasia, who controls Eurasia, controls thw orld". Look it? China and Russia, as well as USA, fight for Middle East, and being the world superpower.</p>
<p>Americans are happy people, USA has no such secrets. There is nothing to worry about.</p>
<p>So its okay as long as its several hundred years ago?</p>
<p>Yeah, it's okay.</p>
<p>Taiwanese are almost Chinese (to tell the truth), so there is no need to kill all taiwanese. Absolutely no. It's just the begining of "gathering the lands", i.e. centralizing all neighbors of Mongolian race around China. Korea, Japan and so on and so on.</p>
<p>the reason why the US is in iraq: OIL
the reason why the US defends taiwan: they are AFRAID of china exerting its influence over asia
the reason why the US will fall: their large deficit, which is being financed by asian bankers
the reason why Xinjiang will never be independent: my uncle is the chief of public security... and Xinjiang independence isn't on his agenda. sorry!</p>
<p>cry me a river.</p>
<p>My aunt is Kondoleeza Rice, and there is one matter on her agenda.</p>
<p>Total destruction of China, destruction of every chinese, and forgetting about such nation!</p>
<p>Sorry to say, but you have no chance!</p>
<p>Xmaspoop, you seem to lack any knowledge of what happens now. </p>
<p>Your speech is trash with no one argument.</p>
<p>i don't think anyone but you on this forum wants total destruction of any country. could xinjiang peacefully exist under chinese rule? yes it can. are there problems? yes, but they will be worked out. to say that you want to commit GENOCIDE by getting rid of every single chinese person makes YOU look like a ruthless and idiotic person with no knowledge whatsoever of anything in this world.
furthermore, ms. rice's name is spelled with a C and not a K.
i truly feel sorry for the college you will get into/are in and the people you know. i do not think anyone with such malice towards a nation or people should deserve to live in this world.</p>
<p>i highly suggeset you go back to xinjiang and join those suicide bombers... since thats all your people are willing to do. you talk about democracy and all that, but maybe you should look at what your people want, an islamic state.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, America is soooo evil. A couple protesters crossing the lines and get arrested. In China, people protest against the government and get run over by tanks. You're not gonna prove that the Chinese government guarantees similar rights to their people as the American government does. And I don't think people around the world are exaggerating when they say you get tortured for any evidence of treason. Yes, you did't feel that pressure when you were staying in China, but further inland, it's different.</p>
<p>And no, the people protesting against Bush isn't gonna get dragged to Guantanamo to get tortured.</p>
<p>Oh, that georpolitics get everybody. Some people assume Taiwan is naturally part of China just because it's a small island off the coast.</p>
<p>I thought Iraq is not a valid argument against the US anymore. The US wasn't that evil before Bush is she? It's Bush you are protesting, not the US.</p>
<p>and its the communist government ur protesting, not china.</p>
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Oh yeah, America is soooo evil. A couple protesters crossing the lines and get arrested. In China, people protest against the government and get run over by tanks. You're not gonna prove that the Chinese government guarantees similar rights to their people as the American government does. And I don't think people around the world are exaggerating when they say you get tortured for any evidence of treason. Yes, you did't feel that pressure when you were staying in China, but further inland, it's different.</p>
<p>And no, the people protesting against Bush isn't gonna get dragged to Guantanamo to get tortured.</p>
<p>Oh, that georpolitics get everybody. Some people assume Taiwan is naturally part of China just because it's a small island off the coast.</p>
<p>I thought Iraq is not a valid argument against the US anymore. The US wasn't that evil before Bush is she? It's Bush you are protesting, not the US.
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<p>Good god, did someone you know personally get tortured or something? And what position are you in, to declare that the USA doesn't do any of this? Unless you're Rumsfeld's son or something, I don't think you're in that position. </p>
<p>Bush represents the views of Americans, the majority of people voted for him. What can I say? He didn't just "seize" the power, it was given to him.</p>
<p>i think sentien89 is the smartest person who has posted on this thread so far... props.</p>
<p>i nominate stardragon as the most ignorant..</p>
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<p>You are so stupid that you have not understood that it was sarcasm.</p>
<p>Bush represents the views of Americans, the majority of people voted for him. What can I say? He didn't just "seize" the power, it was given to him.</p>
<p>I've lived in the USA my entire life.</p>
<p>So aren't you one of that traitors, who will once destroy America from the inside? I even wonder how many Americans are against their own country. </p>
<p>I am against communist government as well as the very China, because you, Chinese, really souly support it. There is no such drift between gvt and ppl in China as it was in USSR.</p>
<p>no wonder ur located on the dark side of the moon... please stay there and do humanity a huge favour. cheers.</p>
<p>You absolutely don't contribute to this discussion, you behave like a buffoon, make stupid statements. You bother.</p>
<p>Aren't you under 13?</p>