Agreed. Colleges pick kid they see fit and will enroll. They would be hesitate to give offers to kids obviously using them as safeties. No one is saying everyone or majority of deferred are Ivy materials. IMHO, a lot of deferred applicants might be the borderline students.
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This is the quote we all have a problem with â â They would be hesitant to give offers to kids obviously using them as safeties.â
In this crazy, opaque, multi variable world, how can school XYZ AO make a desktop decision on what school ABC AO is going to do with kid 52.
What if ABC actually rejects kid 52?
Then kid 52 is out of ABC and XYZ.
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This is my first kid going through this process. I am not too familiar with this. It is just what I think, might not make sense. They dont need to guess what other schools decide on a set of applicants. They have their own judgement. They also have historical experiences with kids from a particular high school. My kidâs school usually has less than half admitted kids go to Umich, before pandemic might be even less than that. In last year, we saw a huge drop in Umich offers in his school. Not saying my kid is a top student.
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Agree. Well put.
Do you mind if I send your paragraph to Websterâs for a definition of yield protection?
I dont bother to know whatâs yield protection and I dint care. But thanks for the offer.
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And neither do I - I do not think the valedictorian is thinking they are too good. Rather, I am speculating about our group of OOS NYC test-in STEM schools and the reason that a kid from the same school with (objectively) better stats, ECs and LORs than D22 would be deferred over DD22.
Of course, maybe DD22âs Why Michigan essay was more compelling. But I read the Reddit post of a student who accessed his file and didnât seem that essay mattered so much for a kid with good stats.
I wonder if we are better off going to a one-offer system like the medical matching system for an elite group of schools who can provide all of a studentâs demonstrated financial need. I read the MIT paper on the matching system - as an engineering math nerd, I like it.
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What would make it even more valuable is the Common App and Coalition App data.
This is the exact worry (again I am speculating) of a tipitty top student deferred Ivy and now deferred Michigan.
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Of course. But the coalition app data is controlled by the colleges.
We canât get that.
I hate to scare you, but literally the most amazing kid I have ever seen / met is currently in some special program at Virginia Tech after being rejected from 11 schools. He was actually on the management team of a company that went public his junior year of high school.
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And he will do fine in life, and be a billionaire, get his kids into Harvard. But yes, that sort of thing does happen - while rare.
Also, he could probably transfer if he wanted. I know people IRL who have transferred into Harvard, Cornell, G-town and Michigan.
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I once worked for a guy who every January sent an obscene amount of money to his college in the UK and every year copied the letter and sent it to an unnamed top 5 US college.
For 30 years!!
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People hold grudges.
Is your kid at a specialized or Hunter?
Grudges build houses and buy planes. And win NBA trophiesâŠ.
Yup. Itâs a motivator, indeed.
i think how much weight they put on an essay varies from person to person- but we also have to remember every school has a very specific âneedâ for that year. Maybe they needed more bio majors but had enough calc majors so they accept the âweakerâ bio major
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Although, I can see how yield protection as a possible reason may be offensive to someone who got in without decision being postponed or deferred âŠbut i donât think it is meant to be offensive. At least in my opinion. Yield protection and whether the AO. believes the kid will actually attend or not is actually saying the same thing in different ways. When you have 60K applications to handle for EA itselfâŠ. You have to factor in everything including yield. If the AO believes the candidate is not good enough and they are looking for someone âbetterââŠâŠthere is actually no need to deferring the decision and spending more time on that application when you have so many more in the pool. IMO No one university is an ultimate arbitrator of which kid is âbetterâ âŠ.all they can arbitrate is which kid they think is good match for them and will help them build a full âclassâ they are looking to build.
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I concur!
Why do we assume that valedictorians are the best students in the school? They are the students who maybe played it safe, focused just on academics, didnât take many APs and so many other factors!
My daughter took all APs only junior and senior year and the hardest APs because of which her GPA suffered she was 5th out of a class of 500 plus at a top MA school. She got into several T25 and the top 4 just got into 1 or 2 schools. They did have a better GPA but they took only 2/3 APs per year. Meanwhile my daughter missed HW deadlines because of international travel and did a million things and that is why she got into schools(not ivies waitlisted at them didnât pursue waitlist) no one from her school had ever gotten into.
No system is perfect but I would like to think that the top schools admissions know what they are doing!
Rigor is very important for UMich, essays tooâŠâŠ
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I know this has been answered already with one of 3 decisions: accept, waitlist and reject. But the waves here on CC have been typically:
1st wave: all accepts
2nd wave: accepts and waitlists
3rd wave: waitlists and rejections
I actually posted the %'s (and GPA/test score averages) in past threads (for all three waves) and someone even found one of my past tallies and posted it.
Obviously, the process can and may change this year.
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