<p>After a long time examining the academic program of Umich, i am really interested in this top-notch university.</p>
<p>At this time, i really pay intention to the reputation of Umich in the world. I know that this year, from the world's reputation ranking of Times, Umich is ranked 12th.</p>
<p>However, i really would like to know the reputation of Umich in the world in the reality( not from the ranking). </p>
<p>Thanks so much.</p>
<p>What other schools are you considering? Some universities are considered stronger in Asia while others are more renowned in Europe. I would say it is solidly top 20 American university in the world. Schools like Rice, Wash U, Dartmouth, Emory, and Vanderbilt that are regarded higher here domestically at the undergraduate level aren’t quite on the radar as much as Michigan internationally. It graduates a lot of students which gives the university more exposure abroad.</p>
<p>Michigan is up there internationally with a school like Duke, even though Duke is usually ranked a bit lower.</p>
<p>UMich has a much higher international reputation than Duke. They’re not even close.</p>
<p>Please stop worrying about rankings and reputations. This concern has become a madness with young people. Go to a school that works for you.</p>
<p>Mich has around 500,000 living alumni who bleed blue, which gives Mich a great reputation.</p>
<p>“Schools like Rice, Wash U, Dartmouth, Emory, and Vanderbilt that are regarded higher here domestically at the undergraduate level…”</p>
<p>LOL! None of those schools are regarded more highly than Michigan domestically. </p>
<p>Among the educated masses, only Dartmouth is known nationally. Only a small minority of high school kids who lack maturity and experience and who rely entirely on the USNWR rankings (which the OP specifically asked posters on this thread to ignore) would know of schools like Emory, Rice, Vanderbilt or WUSTL. Once you get past that demographic, the regional reputation that those schools enjoy does not travel well. Rice, Vanderbilt and Emory are not well know outside of the South while WUSTL’s reputation is only strong-ish in parts of the Midwest and in the medical profession. </p>
<p>Among the educated elite (academe), Michigan is revered. Its PA proves that. The only universities that are more highly regarded by the educated are Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford and Yale. The entire academic World votes in the PA and they substantiate that fact.</p>
<p>GraduateVN, I have lived in Engand, France, Germany and in the Middle East.</p>
<p>In England, the Times reputational rankings are a pretty good indicator of how British academe view US universities. </p>
<p>In Germany, Michigan is actually more highly regarded than it is in England. It is in fact the first US university to have adopted a German model and has developped ties with German universities before most US universities did. Other universities that were founded on the principles of German university education are Cornell, Johns Hopkins, MIT and Stanford, all of which were founded after Michigan and also enjoy a strong reputation in Germany. Michigan is very well recruited by German firms.</p>
<p>In France, US universities are generally not as well known. Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Cal and Columbia are the most recognized US universities in France. Beyond those 5, the French elite typically do not know US universities unless they are strong in specific academic discipline. For example, in Toulouse, Michigan has a very strong reputation thanks to its excellent Aerospace Engineering program. </p>
<p>In the Middle East, Michigan is very highly regarded, not only by the educated elite, but also by the masses thanks to its proximity to Dearborn, a city with tens of thousands of Arabs. Virtually all Arabs have relatives in Dearborn, and many of them have heard of Michigan through them. </p>
<p>Finally, in China and Japan Michigan has a very strong reputation for the same reason it has in Germany. Michigan was one of the first US universities to forge ties with universities in those two countries. </p>
<p>Globally, Michigan’s reputation is very strong…certainly as strong as it is in the US.</p>
<p>Just to add to Alexandre’s point, it is very well known in India and South East Asian countries including Japan. As an anecdote, I was in Japan recently and had a Michigan football pin on my hat, and a gentleman approached me to confirm it was University of Michigan pin, after my confirmation he was shaking my hand, apparently an alumni from some time back and we chatted for few minutes. A complete stranger in a country where personal space is much respected. I was surprised and touched. However, you need to make your decision based on your visit to few universities, what your interest are and where you feel you fit the most. It’s not the ranking but what you make of your four years.</p>
<p>In the Philippines, these are how top US universities are usually ranked:</p>
<p>1.HYPSM and UC Berkeley
2. UCLA and Umich
3. Columbia, Cornell</p>
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Yeah right, as if Vandy, Emory, Rice, and Wash U aren’t known nationally by educated Americans. These schools have been drawing students from all over the country for decades now. Clearly you didn’t watch any of the commentary on CBS and ESPN leading up to the Harvard vs. Vanderbilt NCAA first round matchup; ESPN announcers were dubbing it as the “battle of the braniacs” and kept talking about how Vanderbilt was the “Harvard of the South”. I’ve never seen ESPN, CBS, ABC, etc. ever talk about Michigan’s academics when they cover U of M games while they routinely discuss Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, and Stanford’s academic prowess. </p>
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This has got to be the most blatantly false post I’ve ever read. At least these schools have a regional reputation and not a local reputation like U of M. It’s held in high esteem in the state of Michigan but is seen as a backup school to places like Emory, Rice, Vanderbilt, and WUSTL everywhere else in the country. Students even routinely turn down Michigan Engineering for slightly worse programs like Brown, Columbia, and Rice due to the lack of prestige the school has.</p>
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The PA has been criticized by entire spectrum of higher education in this country. Only university presidents rate schools by the way and they are all snakes who vote up or down schools based on their personal experience with it (athletic rivalry, distaste of a colleague who works there, etc.) i.e. Bernie Machen of UFlorida. Even when they do rate universities properly, these college presidents vote based on the reputation of the doctoral programs of the university instead of focusing on the quality of undergraduate education.</p>
<p>Even if we were to accept the flawed PA rating as reality, all of these schools (Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice, WUSTL, Wash U, and Michigan) all fall in the same band of 4.0-5.0. If we use the Counselor Rating which surveys counselors from the top private and public high schools in the U.S., Michigan does even worse.</p>
<p>@goldenboy</p>
<p>Are you saying that people should take HIGH SCHOOL counselors opinions seriously? My high school counselors were some of the most corrupt and un-educated people I have ever met. And I come from a private school in Michigan which routinely sends people to Harvard/MIT/Stanford and other ivies every year.</p>
<p>High school counselors are also some of the most biased people I have ever met, only seeming to care which students they are in charge of get into the best school, just for their own merits and/or judging borderline students when in reality they have only talked to them once or twice.</p>
<p>Another thread about to be corrupted by the trolling of the pride of Ohio.</p>
<p>Wow, you can actually feel the hatred that Goldenboy has for Michigan. One has to wonder about his background and his motives. Clearly, there are major issues there.</p>
<p>"Yeah right, as if Vandy, Emory, Rice, and Wash U aren’t known nationally by educated Americans. These schools have been drawing students from all over the country for decades now. Clearly you didn’t watch any of the commentary on CBS and ESPN leading up to the Harvard vs. Vanderbilt NCAA first round matchup; ESPN announcers were dubbing it as the “battle of the braniacs” and kept talking about how Vanderbilt was the “Harvard of the South”. I’ve never seen ESPN, CBS, ABC, etc. ever talk about Michigan’s academics when they cover U of M games while they routinely discuss Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern, and Stanford’s academic prowess. "</p>
<p>oh really? Last time I watched basketball, the commentators were saying Zack Novak is not only athletic, but also intelligent since he attends one of the most prestigious business schools in the country. And who cares about what commentators think anyway? They are a bunch of layman at best. Does Rice even have a known sports program? LOL please</p>
<p>"This has got to be the most blatantly false post I’ve ever read. At least these schools have a regional reputation and not a local reputation like U of M. "
WUSTL, and Rice are only known regionally. Vandy probably gets more recognition, but mostly due to its basketball program. Oh yes, Michigan only has a local reputation. Are you stupid? Stop trolling an unknown state school, you’re making it too famous.</p>
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<p>The following explains goldenboy8784:</p>
<p>A first grade teacher explains to her class that she is a Buckeye fan. She asks her students to raise their hands if they were too. </p>
<p>Not really knowing what a Buckeye fan was but wanting to be like their teacher, their hands explode into the air like fleshy fireworks. </p>
<p>There is, however, one exception. A girl named Kristen has not gone along with the crowd. </p>
<p>The teacher asks her why she has decided to be different. “Because I’m not a Buckeye fan.” </p>
<p>Then, asks the teacher, what are you? “Why I’m a proud Michigan Wolverine fan,” boasts the little girl. </p>
<p>The teacher is a little perturbed now, her face slightly red. She asks Kristen why she is a Wolverine fan. “Well, my mom and dad are Wolverine fans, so I’m a Wolverine fan too.”</p>
<p>The teacher is now angry.</p>
<p>“That’s no reason,” she says loudly. “What if your mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron. What would you be then?”</p>
<p>After a pause, and a smile, Kristen says… “Then I’d be a Buckeye fan.”</p>
<p>Thanks everyone for your comprehensive answers, especially Alexandre. I know that you are the most helpful guy in this forum.</p>
<p>The reason that i was somewhat disturbed is because of someone’s distortion of Michigan. However, after some investigation, i found this really interesting compilation:</p>
<p>School with most top 10 programs from US News and World Reports:
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Institution Total
Calif-Berkeley 119
Harvard 109
Stanford 106
Michigan 95
Yale 76
Columbia 69
MIT 69
Princeton 68
UCLA 60</p>
<p>From these data, I do not understand why someone is trying to diminish the education of Michigan. It is clear that their graduate program is somewhat below Berkeley, Harvard, Stanford(I do not count MIT here since we all know that it is a research powerhouse for Engineering and Science).</p>
<p>@Goldenboy: My considered Public institutions are Berkeley and Michigan. Thanks for your answer, but i think you have some bias against Michigan. It deserves more respect for its superior graduate program. Of all institutions you mentioned to me, I have not heard any of them so far, except for Duke, which has a top-notch program in Medical.</p>
<p>Once again, this reputation obsession is unhealthy. Is everything rankable? #1 devoted son in North America #2 best grandmother in the Philippines. All of these are the so-called elite schools. I’m not sure if that translates into best education for undergraduates. Graduation from these schools doesn’t guarantee anything in life. The best guarantee is a positive experience with directed study that leads you to do something you like with your life. What’s better UM or Berkeley. Depends on what you mean, in what way, in which area? Who has the better campus? Well, do you prefer gothic architecture or the California mission style? Do you prefer all warm weather or four seasons? We are reducing complex subjective matters to lists. It’s very sad.</p>
<p>You asked for Michigan’s world reputation, so here’s Time’s brand new world reputation rankings: <a href=“http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/reputation-rankings.html[/url]”>http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/reputation-rankings.html</a></p>
<p>Their methodology for compiling this list was simply surveying academics around the world to see what they think the best schools are, and Michigan came in at number 12. Above Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Duke, Rice, Vandy, WUSTL, Northwestern, JHU, etc. UCB came in at number 5.</p>