@WGSK88 Thank you very much
@Roentgen As a parent, not in the medical field, with a daughter trying to decide which BA/MD program to pursue, I really appreciate your perspective. There is a lot of “noise” on these forums and it is nice to have someone knowledgeable speak up and clarify.
Thank you for your kind words, @Cytox00! It really is hard to evaluate medical schools and associated Bachelor/MD programs if you don’t know what to look for & evaluate and especially for aspects that may be several steps ahead (residency, fellowship, etc.) to make more informed matriculation decisions. Even harder as a high school student if you don’t have parents in the profession (I did not) who may be familiar with the lingo and jargon. Same for deciding whether to take a Bachelor/MD acceptance or to go the normal undergraduate route. Contrary to what this forum might think, taking the Bachelor/MD acceptance is not always the right answer.
If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask in the thread & I’ll do my best to answer them & give you the full picture to help make informed matriculation decisions, and which can also help future applicants.
@Roentgen I saw the following post on another thread and I’ve seen a few other references to student support or lack there of…
“UMKC: The 6-year program is accelerated and I have heard the student support there is minimal. Better reach out to @Roentgen - he is the expert on UMKC and may offer more color.”
Can you provide any insight to what people are referring to as a minimal student support?
Thanks!
Hey @Cytox00, I think the aspect of medical student support that the person you quoted is referring to is a relatively very broad category.
I’d say things that fall into this category: financial aid, academic support in terms of tutoring/Supplemental instruction for courses, coursework/promotion, career advising & specialty selection, whether the administrative staff and faculty are more understanding of BA/MD students themselves and what they are going through or whether they’re dismissive of concerns or try to make their lives harder, printing capability for students to access for coursework/handouts, etc.
Here are some websites at some other medical school that I think can help you get a better picture of what is encompassed in the category of “student support”:
Duke: https://medschool.duke.edu/education/student-services
Baylor College of Medicine: https://www.bcm.edu/education/academic-faculty-affairs/student-services
Vanderbilt: https://medschool.vanderbilt.edu/student-affairs/
There have been some improvements that have happened in the last 10 years: the wellness coordinator that they have now which I believe started in 2008: http://med.umkc.edu/sa/wellness/, a more centralized way of handling things like medical student research (http://med.umkc.edu/student-research/), & medical student career advising (http://med.umkc.edu/sa/career-services/), but I’d say these are bare minimum things now that a lot of medical schools (that have more resources) have been doing and also it’s been hit or miss w/regards to actual satisfaction in those services with students (vs. in theory).
Often we’d be left wondering with all the tuition we paid (and in the program, you pay School of Medicine tuition rates all 6 years, not just the last 4 years), where exactly it was going to, when it came back to services.
I’d say there is still much to be desired, esp. in the first 2 years of the program. I’d say it’s a program that works well in theory, when it comes to the 6 years, but often there are pitfalls that too often students can feel like they’re ensnared, , either feel like they’re not being helped or that faculty & staff can sometimes be quite callous.
Ironically enough there is a current lawsuit that hits on this very subject w/regards to student support and advising:
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/22030653/#Comment_22030653
Good afternoon, my son was wait listed as a regional student. Any idea of how many students from each group, are commonly wait listed. Is there any information on past classes as to how many wait listed students actually get in to the program.
Also I want to thank Roentgen for all of the useful info. Although I just signed up I have been reviewing the information posted since my son decided to pursue admission to this program. It has been insightful and invaluable as to better understanding of the process and issues to consider when considering this education option.
Hey @ksdad2019, thank you so much for your kind words. So we don’t really have publicly released data w/regards to how long the UMKC BA/MD waitlist is, how far down the waitlist the UMKC SOM has to go when it comes to filling the Year 1 BA/MD class after May 1st (when those who receive an acceptance have either accepted or rejected the offer), etc. These metrics fluctuate so much in application cycles from year to year anyways, it wouldn’t be worth drawing conclusions from when extrapolating it to future application cycles.
Here is how the procedure goes after May 1st when the school knows how many empty seats there are in each applicant pool: in-state, regional, out-of-state (so essentially there are 3 separate waitlists)
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/19656464#Comment_19656464
If you have any other questions, please let me know.
@phillabi000 - Thanks, I am not able to send a private message. Not sure if I can share my email address here.
@PC2020 I think you have to have a certain number of posts to send a private message, but I do not think I have enough either. However, if you would like to ask questions on this forum until you can private message, I would be more than happy to answer them - it may provide some insight to other prospective applicants as well.
@phillabi000 Thank you. My daughter is Junior and she has taken Honors Physics, Honors Chemistry and now she is taking AP Biology. Next year she is thinking of taking AP physics and I am advising her to take AP Chemistry. Please provide some guidelines on what she can take in terms of Science.
Hey @PC2020, so at least for the UMKC BA/MD program, we don’t take General Physics I and II, so she’d actually be better off taking AP Chemistry & taking the AP exam at the end of May if she gets into the program so that she can come in with some type of chemistry credit.
@Roentgen Thank you so much!
@PC2020 It sounds like she is getting really strong preparation in the sciences. Personally, I have had the opportunity to take both AP Chemistry and AP Physics 1 at my school. While I am not sure about what classes are most beneficial, as I am not in the program yet, I will say that there seems to be a very strong emphasis on Chemistry, so if you have to choose between the two, I would go with AP Chemistry.
@phillabi000 - Thank you! Your reply is much appreciated.
Hi all, Any idea when will we see any movement (if any) on waitlist?
@BballFan1 please see my post here: http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/22120983/#Comment_22120983
Thanks for your help @Roentgen ! Looks like we’ll have to wait three plus weeks before we see waitlist movement, if any.
@Roentgen … so whats your view on UMKC match day outcomes this year? Do you think they are improving year on year?
Hey @naive101,
I’m working on a full analysis of the 2019 Match List this week. I’ve been a little busy this past couple of weeks but will get it done as I realize students are still very much deciding this month whether the UMKC 6 year BA/MD program is indeed a good fit for them (both in terms of perceived advantages and compromises) and making comparisons with other BA/MD program offers, as well as regular undegrads.
Just glancing overall at it, I would actually say overall this year’s residency match list is weaker compared to past years’ match lists (both in terms of breadth of specialties and program institutions matched into for individual specialties). You can see previous UMKC match lists here:
2018: http://med.umkc.edu/sa/match-day-2018
2017: http://med.umkc.edu/sa/match-day-2017
2016: http://med.umkc.edu/sa/match-day-2016/
2015: http://med.umkc.edu/sa/match-day-2015/
2014: http://med.umkc.edu/sa/match-day-2014/
2013: http://med.umkc.edu/sa/match-2013/
2003-2014: http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/17808190#Comment_17808190
2018 Match List Analysis
Part 1 of 2
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/21512033#Comment_21512033
Part 2 of 2
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/21512036#Comment_21512036
2017 Match List Analysis
Part 1 of 3
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/20551641#Comment_20551641
Part 2 of 3
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/20551645#Comment_20551645
Part 3 of 3
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/20551657#Comment_20551657
2016 Match List Analysis
Part 1 of 3
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/19480193#Comment_19480193
Part 2 of 3
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/19480195#Comment_19480195
Part 3 of 3
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/19480200#Comment_19480200
Hey @Roentgen, I looked into the student that @alwaystudying was talking about and I agree with @alwaysstudying that this student had an upper leg and that’s the case with most students in the program whose parents are affiliated with or alumni of the school. The proof is in the students extracurriculars. The student’s published works include the sibling and parent as coauthors. If my parent was a derm affiliated with a university and able to conduct research, there is no doubt that I would be at an advantage when it comes to pursuing research compared to my classmates. The student in question was a first author for a research study conducted by the parent. The student in question also had a publication with the sibling. The student definitely had advantages as far as research goes. I hope that’s what the person who brought all this up meant when they were talking about match lists. also, to the moderator, it is ridiculous that you are deleting these posts. I don’t understand why you deleted my post when there is absolutely no offensive content, just a discussion about realities of medical school. Some students will always have an upper leg due to the “family business” of doctors. It’s just a fact at this point and students should be aware of it instead of denying it. @the moderator of this thread, can give me an explanation as to why you delete posts?