I am OOS and decently qualified 31 ACT, 4.0 uw gpa, stand out extracurriculars, and pretty stellar essays. UNC is crazy oos but I have received two calls from a “student working in admissions” (two different students). do these mean anything? one of them asked me if I would attend if admitted… thoughts? good luck to everyone!!
NC resident here, learned that I was denied admissions to UVA today which makes me pretty nervous for UNC to release their decisions… I know that it’s difficult to get into UVA out of state but I don’t know how difficult it is compared to getting accepted to UNC in state… Does anyone have some wisdom on how comparatively difficult they are?
@amln1999 UVA’s OOS acceptance rate is 22.9%; UNC’s IS acceptance rate is 52%. I think you’ll be fine, hang in there!
Just got here from my UVA deferral (OOS)
If I got deferred from UVA, what are the odds that I’ll get rejected by UNC
UVA vs UNC OOS acceptance rate: 24% vs 15%
I also just got deferred from UVA
I’m really starting to not believe in affirmative action. I’m an enrolled native american. deferred from umich rejected from uva…
Joining the crowd of people deferred from uva… after also receiving a rejection from duke ed in december. It’s disheartening seeing friends with lower scores get into fabulous schools (nc state, clemson, baylor) while my 34 is not enough yet. I’m (perhaps selfishly) taking unc acceptance as a given because I’m a nc resident. I guess that’s the danger of falling in love with such prestigious schools.
Also here fresh off a deferral from UVA (OOS). Everyone else in the same boat as me, keep your head up, it’s not a rejection and all we have to do is kick ass in the RD pool and hopefully we’ll get in. And if not, we’ll be just fine wherever we end up. But I am definitely more concerned about my UNC decision now…
My son was denied at UVA.
White male OOS
SAT: 1520
GPA: 4.9/3.9 at competitive HS
Top 5%
3 APs completed (all 4’s) & currently taking 3
President of junior class
2 varsity sports
Initiated a club
West Point summer leadership
Boys State
Jefferson nominee
And now really worried about UNC.
@sandrasdee I don’t think the calls mean anything in regard to admissions determinations. My son received a call 2 days after he had submitted his app so clearly too early in the process which was a good indicator. Second caller was calling to invite him to an event and followed up with an email. This was shortly after the app was submitted as well. Both were students calling. I would say the question as to whether you would attend was the student making conversation.
@ivyleaguedreamen I don’t follow your post. Were you counting on affirmative action to get you accepted to schools? Umich and UVA get many highly qualified applicants. ED rounds are particularly competitive. Some will get accepted and some will get rejected / deferred. Being Native American isn’t going to get you an admission.
In comparing UVA and UNC admissions for OOS students, I went and looked at information from both the UVA website, here: http://admission.virginia.edu/admission/statistics and the UNC-CH website, here: http://admissions.unc.edu/apply/class-profile-2/. The UVA link states that “we do seek to maintain a 2/3 majority of Virginians in our student population” whereas UNC-CH seeks to have “no more than eighteen percent nonresident enrollment in the entering freshman class.” (However, I think I read somewhere that the entering OOS freshmen classes in the recent past at both UVA and William & Mary, another state school, have been around 27%, although I can’t find those sources.)
If you look at the statistics from the websites above, UVA had 9186 admitted students; if 27 % of these were OOS, that comes to 2480 OOS freshmen (if 33% of these were OOS, that number increases to 3031). By contrast, UNC-CH admitted 9386 students; if 18% of these were OOS, that comes to 1689 OOS freshmen.
If my assumptions are correct, there were almost 800 more OOS students admitted as freshmen at UVA than at UNC-CH, if 27% of incoming UVA freshmen are OOS; if 33% of incoming UVA freshmen are OOS, then the disparity increases to over 1300 more OOS freshmen admitted at UVA than at UNC-CH.
So all other things being equal, it seems that an OOS applicant has a statistically better chance of admission to UVA because it admits a larger cohort of OOS freshmen each year compared to UNC-CH; although, of course, each application is treated individually/holistically.
If my assumptions/numbers are incorrect, let me know (math was never my strong suit).
@gandalf76 I think what is missing is the % of OOS applicants admitted from the applicant pool. I don’t know the numbers but believe that the OOS applicant pool is larger at UVA than the UNC OOS pool so the even though in number more OOS are admitted at UVA it represents a smaller portion of of the applicant pool making it statistically more difficult to get into than UNC. in 2015 11,754 OOS applicants in the EA round to UVA. 36k represents the entire applicant pool, both IS and OOS from all rounds at UNC so I think my hunch of relative applicant pool size is correct…but this is merely speculation until the hard numbers are known.
So what do we think? I hope its today but I don’t think it will be… Maybe tomorrow??
Spoke with someone in ITS (ConnectCarolina assistance) and he said they will be released tomorrow around 4pm.
@emberry Just a bit of perspective to cheer you up. My oldest DD was denied at Tufts, Northwestern and Tulane…yet she was accepted at UNC , Brown and UPenn. Today she is thriving at Boston University on a full tuition Trustee scholarship ( yes she turned down 2 Ivies) . It is early in the game one deferral/ denial is in no way a reflection of you.
Have a great day
UNC vs. UVA…I think the biggest thing missing is the fact that OVERALL UVA attracts applicants with stronger stats…using average SAT/ACT scores as a gauge, UNC’s range is 1270-1440 and 27-32 and UVA’s is 1310-1500 and 29-33. I know scores are NOT the only stat used in admission, but it is the most objective way to compare candidates.
I could be wrong but I think it’s still easier, in or out of state, to get in to UNC. We are OOS and at our high school kids have a hard time with both schools, but harder with UVA. It’s just thought of as a stronger academic school.
@emberry I think you said you are in state with a 34. As long as you have the grades to match, I cannot imagine you will not get in to UNC, but I guess anything is possible.
@Cubamom3 that is quite an interesting story for your DD…and good for her to turn down the ivies for BU…BU is a phenomenal school and I’m sure that she will receive an amazing education and end up in a great place. The ivies are clearly not the be all and end all.
@adp106 I really hope so!
As an OOS applicant I am worried that UNC’s million dolloar fine for exceeding OOS enrollment last year will impact this year’s OOS acceptances…do you think they will error on accepting less this year because they yielded more than expected last year and had to pay a large fine?..https://alumni.unc.edu/news/fine-okd-after-carolina-exceeds-admissions-cap-for-second-straight-year/ and https://blog.ecu.edu/sites/dailyclips/blog/2016/01/20/out-of-state-student-numbers-could-cost-unc-the-herald-sun/
@gandalf78 What you are missing in your calculations is that OOS yield is far lower than IS yield. You have to dig deep in released data to ferret out this information. For UNC, a couple of years ago, 67% of applicants were OOS; 38% of accepted students were OOS; and 18% of enrollees were OOS.
Yield for OOS was 22%; yield for IS was 63%.
If OOS yield increases in a particular year, and too many OOS acceptees enroll, then UNC can get in trouble, as happened recently.
Having said all of that, your conclusion that it is easier for OOS candidates to get into UVA because there are more spots available may well be true; I don’t know the data for UVA.
UNC’s ACT range for the fall of 2016 was 28-33. When my daughter applied two years ago there were 25,000 OOS applicants to about 10,000 instate. That is why there is a 50% acceptance rate instate- there are fewer applicants and they need to reach their 82%- I think that makes sense as math is not my thing either. Our OOS HS typically gets 1-2 acceptances each year ( never more than that) to UVA compared to 0-1 from UNC, which has accepted 2 kids since 2012.