<p>exactly how difficult is it for an out of state applicant to get accepted to UNC?
it'd also be really helpful if anyone knows where i can find the mean stats for accepted OOSers.</p>
<p>also, does anyone know how much more difficult it is compared to UVa and Michigan for OOS applicants?</p>
<p>thanks in advance for the advice guys</p>
<p>The OOS acceptance rate is about 20%. 11,000 from OOS apply and around 2200 are accepted (at least that's what the person who ran the info session I went to said).</p>
<p>oh wow. thanks for the info.</p>
<p>do you happen to know if applying early has any effect on your chances of getting accepted?</p>
<p>Chapel Hill has Early Action (non binding) but no early decision. Don't think the EA is as helpful as it might be in a small LAC.</p>
<p>do you know for OOS early action applicants, are they solely focused on stats or are essays and recommendations a large factor in the decision making process? the website says the average gpa is 4.42...grade inflation much? lol i dont think that sort of gpa is even possible in my school</p>
<p>UNC reviews the WHOLE application carefully. Unlike some other schools, they do put considerable weight on the essays for all applicants so spend the proper amount of time and pay attention to them. I am sure recs are a part of the process as well so make sure that they are from people who know you well and can shed light on who the person is behind the numbers and stats.</p>
<p>UNC is a more difficult OOS admit than either UVA or Michigan because of the state mandated 18% enrollment cap on OOS students. UVA has about 30-33 percent OOS and Michigan is near 50/50.</p>
<p>Adcoms know the profiles of most schools and they also usually see a grade and GPA distribution from schools that are like the one you describe which helps them put everything into perspective. </p>
<p>Focus on the essays. I can't stress that enough. Good luck.</p>
<p>From personal experience, I wouldn't apply EA unless your SAT/GPA is in the top-25%. I applied EA with average stats, and was deferred. Though I submitted new scores that would have placed me in the upper-20% or so, I was ultimately wait-listed, and I really believe being deferred was a disadvantage. Of course others will have been deferred and admitted, but I know of more than a few people who feel the same way I do about applying EA, with various schools. Besides, UNC even says that EA is most advantageous to students with higher scores, so if yours are up there, go for it! If not, waiting is probably better.</p>
<p>Also agree with eadad on essays! But I would like to point out that the admit rate for UVA OOS is about 25-27%, and the admit rate for UMich OOS is about 25-30%. Michigan's OOS population is actually around 33%. :)</p>
<p>I wasn't addressing admit rate but rather percent of students enrolled which limits UNC to 18 percent. I stand corrected about UM's OOS enrollment; I found this note after doing a bit of research:</p>
<p>"Currently, there is an unwritten cap limiting out-of-state students to 35 percent of the undergraduate population."</p>
<p>I think my initial point of a tougher admit at UNC still stands though since the percent of OOS students at UM it is still roughly twice the percentage of OOS students enrolled at UNC. When you also consider that Michigan's freshman class is approximately 5500 compared to UNC's 3895 (in 2007) the odds are definitely a bit longer at UNC.</p>
<p>Thanks for catching my error vc08.</p>
<p>"The OOS acceptance rate is about 20%. 11,000 from OOS apply and around 2200 are accepted (at least that's what the person who ran the info session I went to said)."</p>
<p>Just so the OP realizes, there will not be 2200 OOS freshmen admitted, this stat must reflect the entire undergraduate university OOS population.</p>
<p>It's very difficult to get into UNC OOS. But go for it; you have nothing to lose by applying.</p>
<p>UNC's OOS yield is around 31-32%, so 700+ actually enroll.</p>
<p>In-state yield is 68-69%.</p>
<p>More fun facts: OOS legacy admit rate is ~40%, OOS non-legacy is ~20%.
In-state legacy admit is 58-60%; in-state non-legacy is 50%.</p>
<p>"Just so the OP realizes, there will not be 2200 OOS freshmen admitted, this stat must reflect the entire undergraduate university OOS population." - Nrdsb4.</p>
<p>what do you mean by this? that the number of OOS freshmen accepted really depends on the number of in state freshmen that matriculate since theres a limit on the OOS population to 17-20%?</p>
<p>No, the percent of OOS students has nothing to do with the number of in-state students who enroll.</p>
<p>OOS enrollment is capped by State Law at 18%. A few years ago UNC Administrators found a loophole that allowed OOS students on "full scholarships" to be counted as and charged as in-state students which increased the the real percentage to closer to 20%.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, there are not 31% of the applicants enrolled (which is yield) as freshman. With an entering class of approximately 3900, 18 % would represent 702 OOS freshman in the class. Of the 2200 OOS applicants who are accepted, 700 enroll, which would constitute a 31.8% yield. </p>
<p>Prior to the loophole, if you subtracted recruited athletes which counted as part of the 18%, you had somewhere around 550-600 spots for OOS non-athletes in the entering classes so the loophole HAS increased the odds slightly for admission though not by much.</p>
<p>oooh ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.</p>
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<p>O I agree. Making the cut at UMich is tough, but admissions offers OOS at UVA and UNC are easily among the hardest to come by anywhere in the country.</p>
<p>Yeah, those numbers are wrong for entering freshman as they are limited by the state law to 86% instate. If they accept 5600 freshman (not sure that isnt' high....and that is accepted not attending there is a calculation for non acceptance in those acceptances....)</p>
<p>It is very difficult but not impossible.</p>
<p>I was out of state and applied with the '08 class for 2012. I applied early action. Scored 1310 on the SAT and had a 95 gpa. took only AP's my senior year plus a few junior year. Top 8% of my class...so a pretty strogn resume. I was rejected early action from UNC. It is more competative to get a seat oos at UNC than it is to find one at the likes of Cornell, USC, or Vanderbilt. As an OOS student, I don't know that anyoen but a head of states son/daughter could say they're a lock. At UVa it's more of the same. They must meet a 65% in state quota and it is very stiff competition. I applied to UVa as well and was rejected. I also applied to UMich early notification, was deferred and then ultimately waitlisted. Out of the three it is definitely the easiest to get into though.</p>
<p>Anyone know some stat ranges for OOS? By the way thanks for these admit numbers. I had thought it was much lower (like 10% for OOS, not 20). </p>
<p>My scores (SAT 1st try - 1380/1980) put me in the top 25% of UNC overall, but I know it's completely different for OOS. Is that a good enough score for OOS (great extra currics/hardest classes @ school - nat ap scholar)</p>
<p>Not to discourage you from applying but SAT scores probably should be higher for OOS. I am instate and had in the 1400's/2100's. Was a national ap scholar etc. Got in EA but was certainly not high enough for honors etc.</p>
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<p>Typically, no. You should aim for 1450+, 2100+. Don't apply EA with your scores, apply RD. I had awesome ECs also with state/nat'l recognition, but I was deferred then waitlisted. Honestly, it's better to wait if you aren't near the very top of the applicant pool and you're OOS.</p>
<p>i always thought EA gave you an advantage in admissions?</p>
<p>and even if you applied EA, wouldn't you be deferred and go back into the RD applicant pool anyways?</p>