UNC or Cornell?

Hi everyone! Im in a dilemma trying to figure out where i want to go before the May 1st deadline.

Cornell -

Pros: I was named a Meinig Scholar so I get executive mentoring, no loans (4K scholarship replaced them), amazing food, diverse, big dorms, flexible major (ILR)
Cons: 11+ hrs away, weather could be depressing to me, I didn’t feel a “click” when I was there, homesickness (I felt this really strong when I visited)

Also I am not in the business school but the ILR school (but I will pursue the business side of it)

UNC -
Pros: Assured admit to kenan flagler, homey feeling, 2 hrs away (in state), easy move in, shuttle bus is free, weather is great, study abroad opportunities at kenan flagler are great
Cons: will have to take out 4K in loans this yr, kind of salty that I did not get a scholarship I was a finalist for at KF. Only 2 dining halls.

If anyone could provide their experiences at UNC or advice that would be appreciated!

First of allI would like to congratulate you on two wonderful acceptances!

These are both excellent schools, but different. You need to ask yourself what you are looking for and how you feel being 11 hours from home versus 2 hours, choice of major, etc. You also need to figure out how the finances work for your family and how you feel about upstate NY ( Ithaca is a wonderful town). And… If Cornell does not “click” for you that may be saying something ( but that could change).

Our experience at UNC has been amazing, but we are not you and students also have amazing experiences at Cornell. Do you have any specific questions?

Sounds like UNC is the fit for you. 4K in loans in nothing. Don’t be salty about not getting the scholarship - take the high road and assume someone else needed it more than you.

@twogirls Thank you! My mom said she doesn’t care which one I go to even though the parent contribution is lower at Cornell since it will be the same as UNC when you count flights to and from Ithaca for move in and holidays.

Has your student participated in study abroad? How did they afford what the school didn’t cover?

Well Cornell is better but not huge. Chapel Hill is prestigious but its known to be a top public school where Cornell is a an ivy but not really. Had it been Brown or Dartmouth I would have said go there but Cornell? Not sure. More money for small gain in prestige? I dunno. thats tough.

If your instate I would say to take advantage of it. if not then go Cornell because price will be the same. Both schools have top Bschools, similarly ranked, similar reputations, so I wouldnt sweat it.

@Empireapple yeah i was think thinking the loans were kind of irrelevant since the monthly repayment would be low, its just thinking about how much more money I’m spending for smaller dorms, and iffy food kind of makes me rethink.The convenience however makes it appealing. Also, I come from a low income/single parent family and the scholarship was merit based so I know that’s why I didn’t get it (the scholarship lady practically bragged that there were so many other outstanding candidates while in an interview with me! that still makes me mad. I know i’m just making a big deal out of it and she didn’t mean it personally but still…)

What would be the total out-of-pocket cost for you at each school. I understand that you got a $4k scholarship for Cornell. But what are the bottom-line costs?

ILR is a great school, by the way.

How would you fly to Ithaca? United flies Ithaca-Newark. American flies Ithaca-Philadelphia. (Delta flies Ithaca-Detroit, but that won’t help you if you live in NC.) You can go Charlotte-Newark-Ithaca. Or you can fly direct Charlotte-Syracuse.

We are in-state for Cornell and normally have about 3 (+/-) students enroll each year. Some enroll to the land grant school while some don’t. The year my daughter applied to college she knew 16 kids from our HS who were at Cornell ( different years) with 5 all living on the same floor. We visited the school in February and the weather was brutally cold. The school is gorgeous but my scarf covered so much of my face that it was hard to appreciate the beauty. The tour guide brought us inside a building every few minutes because the temperature was brutal. I have another child who attended college nearby and she did not mind the cold and never complained. Fast forward to doing applications and my D eliminated Cornell because she did not want to be in upstate NY for four years. She also decided that she did not want to live on a floor with 5 kids from HS ( not saying that would happen). If you decide to attend Cornell- which is a great school by the way- you have to be OK with the weather. Ithaca is a wonderful town but it’s a 10-15 min walk to campus and doing it in the middle of the winter may or may not happen ( depends on your comfort level). When we visited Cornell my D spent a few hours with an older friend who liked the school but was not in love with the school- she had a hard time socially because she did not drink. She eventually found her people but it took some time. I will say that this problem is not unique to Cornell- it can and will happen anywhere.

I would check out the cost and ease of travel to Ithaca from NC. Would you drive to move in or would you fly and buy what you need once you arrive? When my other D was in college nearby, there were several students in her school from NC because of a certain major. They drove initially and flew during breaks.

My D loves UNC - she loves the spirit ( they really do bleed Carolina blue) and how the school bonds together, she loves the friendliness of the students, the ease of getting to know her professors ( not saying that can’t happen at Cornell), the clubs, the town, weather, the opportunities for research and internships, the energy on campus, the academics… she has nothing negative to say- it is truly a unique place. My D does not drink and never had any issues finding her people ( once she adjusted to the school). Her adjustment was not easy but she plowed through and is happy she did- she really grew from it.

The other day I was out and happened to run into two moms with kids at Cornell. Both were still looking for summer internships- both moms were a little frustrated. Of course this could very well be a reflection of the students ( did not apply early enough, etc). My D had one lined up several weeks ago, and last summer she had one as well which was all set by early March. Like I said these things could very well be a reflection of the students not applying early enough, not getting themselves out there etc.

You have two wonderful choices and won’t go wrong with either. Almost all ( possibly all) of the kids I know who attend Cornell love it there. It’s time to look at the details and decide what works best for you. Good luck!

Cornell is an Ivy but not really? Last time I checked, Cornell was definitely an Ivy. I know a lot of students there ( see above) and the ones I speak to all say that they work very hard. One boy recently admitted to my friend that he often feels stressed academically ( again, this is not unique to Cornell).

@cthulhi as an OOS student very often it is less money to study abroad than to be on campus. Also- your FA travels with you.

I also want to add that if you enjoy the outdoors, Ithaca has the most beautiful trails and waterfalls I have ever seen. A lot of students take full advantage.

I have a son in Cornell ILR right now. If you have any questions please private message me.
I don’t know much about UNC, but will give my 2 cents on some of the issues commented above.

Weather : One of the benefits of global warming :slight_smile: since my son has been there, they have had mild winters and less snow than in past years. He was there last summer too, and they had a drought, no rain in summer, no snow prior winter. When it does snow, it’s pretty but my son has not experienced a really bad winter for last 2 winters. They had tons of snow prior winters, so it’s bound to happen again.

Social : Drinking comment above, my son does not drink at all, and made some nice friends who do not drink. Frats are big, but most are not in frats and many do not drink. This is a reputation that is overblown. All colleges have drinking and all have some kids who don’t drink.

Ivy comment above : Cornell is one of the finest universities in the world and those comments about it’s standing among the ivies is ridiculous. Some of the top research in the world in many many fields is done at Cornell, more than at the smaller ivies. Cornell is heavily represented in my industry where I work, I have twice worked at firms run by Cornell alum. They truly have everything you can think of to study.

Upstate NY & Ithaca : You saw the campus. You either loved it or not. Most who love nature and a small college town would absolutely love it. But some prefer to be nearer to civilization or in your case nearer to home. Family is important. We live near NYC, and I have 2 kids in upstate NY. One is about 3 hours away in a larger city, and the other at Cornell. The one at Cornell definitely does not see his parents as often since Ithaca is so far off the beaten path. The other one is in a larger city with airport, Amtrak station and a shorter drive. He came home FOR THE DAY last weekend. My S at Cornell could never do that. This seems like a big factor to you, and only you can tell.

Academics : Cornell gives a very high workload, in excess of most colleges. In fact the Ivy comments above are related. As an employer I can say I know Cornell grads are hard workers and those who went to HYP are clearly smart, but nobody flunks out of those schools. Lots flunk out of Cornell. It is really really tough. If I hire a Cornell grad, I know they are both smart and a hard worker. ILR students sometimes say ILR stands for “I Like to Read”. My son found he could get good grades if he does the work in most ILR classes (there are some easy ones but not many). Outside ILR, if you took electives in let’s say Math or Science, you will find people working ridiculous hours and still getting bad grades. This is a really intense high pressure school academically in many departments/majors. There is time for fun, but you need to have above avg time management skills, and be OK with the curve and resulting GPA. Also ILR is focused on Labor/HR issues as you know, but they make it really easy to take electives in other colleges, so you can study other areas of business. And kids get recruited regardless of the college they graduated within Cornell.

Cost ; You were not 100% clear on this, but I’ll add that Ithaca is an unusually expensive place to live. There is not enough quality housing for all the students in the city. The housing is overpriced. There is building going on and this involves mostly nice new housing at very high prices. There are lots of dumps to rent but still overpriced. Upstate NY is not an expensive place to live in general, but Ithaca is an exception due to the need to live near campus. If you live further from campus, then you’ll not only have the expense of a car, but have to be OK with driving in snow if normal winter weather returns. Travel to/from Ithaca from NC will be expensive. Airport nearby is tiny, not useful. Look for airfare to/from Syracuse not Ithaca. There are free (for freshmen) buses around the city for day to day life, and cheap after freshman year. Most stay on campus soph year and then for Jr/Sr year you would likely deal with the expensive off campus housing. On campus housing is REALLY REALLY NICE compared to most colleges, but they do not have enough for all students.

Personally based on your comments about wanting to be close to home, that’s not a bad thing to be close to family. I am sure UNC is not an easy workload, college is generally much more work than HS, but Cornell more than most colleges. If you are a workaholic, love nature, want to experience a different part of the country, Cornell is great. Also ILR is a very unique curriculum, one that you would not find at almost any other college. Either that’s a huge benefit to you or it’s not. If you prefer warmer weather and family nearby, I personally don’t think you give up much turning down Cornell for UNC. Don’t let prestige guide your decisions. While there are certainly many good things about Cornell, sometimes I wonder if it was best for my son, he had some other good options that were less prestigious but may have been better for him (and much cheaper with scholarships).

Good luck, you probably can’t go wrong with either choice, but they are very different.

When my D was upstate near Ithaca there was definitely less snow than in previous years. The weather was still bitterly cold but of course everybody has their own tolerance for the cold and the heat. I would take the cold any day above heat and humidity. When we moved our D in during her first year at UNC the heat was awful and my D, who loves the summer, complained a lot.

I was taken back by the crazy comment that " Cornell is an Ivy but not really"… that comment is obviously false and anybody who knows the school ( I have two family members who went to Cornell) knows that that comment is ridiculous.

The OP has two very good choices and in my opinion it will come down to the details that the student wants in a school. You can “find your people” at both.

@brantly so the parent contribution at Cornell is $4700 + $1850 for personal expenses/planes? (Not sure if that number is talking about like laundry costs or going out to eat costs). And then shipping some stuffwill cost less than $100. But flying will definitely cost a lot and my mom said she’ll deal with it so I don’t know how that’s going down.

At unc my family contribution is $6196 w/ $4,200 in loans. No planes or shipping required since I’m in state.

@twogirls thank you so much for sharing your experiences! We will be flying and buying if I go to Cornell. My mom actually wants to buy stuff here and then ship it because she’s afraid everything in the stores will be gone.

I have no idea how I’ll react to the weather. I’m not native to North Carolina, and I’ve been through Michigan winters but that was a longggg time ago. When I visited cornell the weather was very dreary which made it hard to appreciate everything because it all looked depressing.

@cthulhi Forget about personal expenses, books, travel, etc. for the moment. Let’s just look at the bill you will be receiving from the school. Is this correct?
Cornell: You will receive a bill for $4700. The rest will be paid for by grants?
UNC: You will receive a bill for $6196 to pay out of pocket AND you will have to pay back $4,200 in loans (for this year – possibly $16,800 for all four years), for a total of $10,396 for the year?

@brantly I didn’t add in my work-study so the totals would look like this -

Cornell: $4700 parent & $2700 student = $7400 and yes the rest is paid for by grants.
UNC: $6196 parent & $2700 student + $4200 in loans

Forget about work-study for now. You can’t use it to pay the bill because you don’t have that $2700 up front. You’ll use that for your expenses at college.

UNC will cost $10,396 for the year – You will receive a bill for $6196 and will pay back a loan for $4200.
Cornell will cost $4700 for the year – You will receive a bill for this entire amount. No loans.

Bottom line: Cornell costs LESS THAN HALF than UNC, and you’ll graduate debt-free.

Also consider that UNC-CH tuition for in-state students is guarantee for four years. Since they meet full need, the cost should be roughly the same in future years if your finances don’t change.

The food issue shouldn’t be a major factor unless you have special needs. UNC-CH doesn’t require (at least in the past) anybody to have a meal plan. There are also different meal plan options to help lower the cost. Franklin street is loaded with restaurants.

UNC-CH has a great free bus system so you will never really need a car.

Both are great schools. Personally, I would choose the one that gives you the best options for your chosen field and the best options if you change majors. Then factor in fit and affordability. As for weather and food, it is only four years. However, winters in NY can be long and cold. As long as you dress for the weather, it is manageable. However, after going to school and living in upstate NY, I find NC’s weather far superior but that’s me.

While WS is never guaranteed, it should be factor into the equation. Loans of 4200/year is not bad but you also need to consider the impact of the parental contribution which is $1500 higher. I suspect that much of that will be offset by the lower transportation cost.