<p>Not in the Core Bio course S1 took last year. Lab reports, yes. UChicago doesn’t teach technical writing. The reality is that ALL undergrads do the Core, and for some, it is a real slog; for others, pure joy.</p>
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<p>No; NU had an engineering program even back in the 1870’s or so when the school was quite young. It closed but reopened in the early 1900’s. The Murphy that you are referring to was a man who in the 1930’s gave a considerable sum to the school to build Northwestern’s Technological Institute (Tech) – which is a massive building that dominates the north part of campus. His will gave the engineering school millions more. He did not want the school named after him, and indeed it is the McCormick School of Engineering. I don’t know if he offered that money to U of Chicago or not, but the school had already existed for many years. </p>
<p>There was also a proposal from the U of Chicago president in the early 30’s to NU offering to merge the two schools (undergrad in Evanston, grad in Hyde Park) but obviously that never happened.</p>
<p>Carry on!</p>
<p>The story was part of the lore there. Who and when was never clear. Sounds like something Hutchins would have said/done in the 1940’s.</p>
<p>[University</a> of Chicago Presidential History](<a href=“University of Chicago News”>University of Chicago News)</p>
<p>I took several graduate courses while an undergraduate and really enjoyed them. I think that’s one of the lesser sung advantages that a U offers. I’m glad they didn’t merge as proposed, the commute would have been unpleasant/impossible.</p>
<p>OP: hope you don’t mind the digression.</p>
<p>Hutchins was the man who proposed that U of C merge with NU, and they (NU) already had engineering at the time, so he must’ve seen some good to all that practical stuff, else why would he want to get his hands on it :-).</p>
<p>Hutchins just wanted to get rid of undergrads. It happened in 1933. The undergrads were to be at the current NW campus, the grads in Hyde Park.
[The</a> Universities of Chicago: Northwestern University](<a href=“http://www.northwestern.edu/about/historic-moments/academics/the-universities-of-chicago.html]The”>http://www.northwestern.edu/about/historic-moments/academics/the-universities-of-chicago.html)</p>
<p>A recent study group was convened to investigate if UofC should have an engineering program. The answer was generally no, but it identified molecular engineering, because of its relationship to basic science, as being desirable. Recent budget concerns may have slowed the development of the program projected to cost about $300 million.</p>
<p>S1 is at UofC and all but one of his courses this quarter are cross listed as grad courses. This is very common. Largest class currently has 19 students enrolled.</p>
<p>Going beyond the T20 is something the students of this thread would benefit from. For many, the T20 offer nothing but thin letters of rejection. From “Brag About Your Lesser Known School” thread, I cut and paste a list which has grown over a period of time.</p>
<p>Agnes Scott College (Decatur, GA)
Alberston College (Caldwell, ID)
Albion College (Albion, MI)
Albright College (Reading, PA)
Alfred University, (Alfred, N.Y.)
Allegheny College (Meadville, PA)
Alma College (Alma, MI)
Alverno College (Milwaukee, WI)
Arcadia University (Glendale, PA)
Augustana College (Sioux Falls, SD)
Augustana College (Rock Island, IL)
Austin College (Sherman, TX) CTCL
Babson College (Babson Park, MA)
Bard College (Annandale-on-Hudson, NY)
Beaver College (Beaver, PA)
Belmont Abbey College (Charlotte, NC)
Beloit College (Beloit, WI) CTCL
Bennington College (Bennington, VT)
Bentley College (Waltham, MA)
Berea College (Berea, KY)
Bethany College (Bethany, WV)
Bethel University (St. Paul, MN)
Bradley University (Peoria, IL)
Bryant (Rhode Island)
Butler University (Indianapolis, IN)
Cal State Monterey Bay (Monterey, CA)
Calvin College (Grand Rapids, MI)
Canisius College (Buffalo, NY)
Carrol College (Waukesha, WI)
Carroll College (Helena, MT)
Carson-Newman College (Jefferson City, TN)
Carthage College (Kenosha, WI)
Catawba College (Salisbury, NC)
Centre College (Danville, KY) CTCL
Chapman University (Orange, CA)
Christopher Newport University (Newport News, VA)
Clark (Worcester, MA) CTCL
Coe College (Cedar Rapids, IA)
College of Santa Fe (NM)
College of St. Rose (Albany, NY)
College of the Atlantic (Bar Harbor, ME)
College of Wooster (Wooster, OH) CTCL
Colorado College (Colorado Springs, CO)
Colorado School of Mines (Golden, CO)
Colorado State University (Ft. Collins, CO)
Cornell College (Mount Vernon, IA) CTCL
Curry College (Milton, MA)
Denison University (Granville, OH) CTCL
DePaul University (Chicago, IL)
DeSales University (Center Valley, PA)
Dickinson Colege (Carlisle, PA)
Drew University (Madison, NJ)
Earlham College (Richmond, IN) CTCL
East Carolina University (Greenville, NC)
Eastern Illinois University (Charleston, IL)
Eckerd College (St. Petersburg, FL) CTCL
Elizabethtown College (Elizabethtown, PA)
Elmira College (Elmira, NY)
Elmurst College (Elmhurst, IL)
Elon Univ (Elon, NC)
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University (Daytona Beach, FL)
Evergreen State College (Olympia, WA) CTCL
Fairleigh Dickinson University (Madison, NJ)
Florida Atlantic University (Boca Raton, FL)
Florida Agricultural & Mechanical University (Tallahassee, Fla.)
Fontbonne University (St. Louis, MO)
Fordham University – Lincoln Center (NY, NY)
Fordham University – Rose Hill (Bronx, NY)
Furman University (Greenville, SC)
Gannon University (Erie, PA)
Geneva College (Beaver Falls, PA)
Georgetown College (Georgetown, KY)
Georgia State University (Atlanta, GA)
Gettysburg College (Gettysburg, PA)
Gonzaga University (Spokane, WA)
Goshen College (Goshen, IN)
Goucher College (Baltimore, MD)
Grand Valley State University (Allendale, MI)
Green Mountain College (Poultney, VT)
Grove City College (Grove City, PA)
Guilford College (Greensboro, NC) CTCL
Gustavus Adolphus College (St. Peter, MN)
Hampden-Sydney College (Hampden-Sydney, VA)
Hampshire College (Amherst, MA) CTCL
Hanover College (Hanover, IN)
Heidelberg College (Tiffin, OH)
Hendrix College (Conway, Ark) CTCL
Hillsdale College (Hillsdale, MI)
Hiram College (Hiram, OH) CTCL
Hobart & William Smith Colleges (Geneva, NY)
Howard Payne University (Brownwood, TX)
Humboldt State University (Arcata, CA)
Illinois College (Jacksonville, IL)
Illinois Wesleyan University (Bloomington, IL)
Iowa State University (Ames, IA)
Ithaca College (Ithaca, NY)
James Madison University (Harrisonburg, VA)
Juniata College (Huntingdon, PA)
Kalamazoo College (Kalamazoo, MI) CTCL
Kansas State University (Manhattan, KS)
Keene State College (Keene, NH)
Kettering University of Engineering (Flint, MI)
Keuka College (Keuka Park, NY)
Knox College (Galesburg, IL) CTCL
Lake Forest College (Lake Forest, IL)
Lawrence University (Appleton, WI) CTCL
Lewis & Clark College (Portland, OR)
Linfield College (McMinnifield, OR)
Louisiana Tech University (Ruston, LA)
Luther College (Decorah, IA)
Lycoming College (Williamsport, PA)
Lynn University (Boca Raton, FL)
Manhattan College (Riverdale, NY)
Manhattanville College (Purchase, NY)
Marlboro College (Marlboro, VT) CTCL
Marquette University (Milwaukee, WI)
McDaniel College (Westminster, MD)
Mercer College (Macon, GA)
Meredith College (Raleigh, NC)
Miami University of Ohio (Miami, OH)
Michigan Tech University (Houghton, Michigan)
Millikin University (Decatur, IL)
Mills College (Oakland, CA)
Millsaps College (Jackson, MS) CTCL
Minot State University (Bottineau, ND)
Mitchell College (New London, CT)
Montana State University (Bozeman, MT)
Montreat College (Montreat, NC)
Muhlenberg College (Allentown, PA)
Nebraska Wesleyan University (Lincoln, NE)
New College of Florida (Sarasota, FL) CTCL
New England College (Henniker, NH)
New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology (Socorro, NM)
North Carolina State University (Raleigh, NC)
Northland College (Ashland, WI)
Northwestern College (Orange City, IA)
Ohio Dominican University (Columbus, OH)
Ohio Northern University (Ada, OH)
Otterbein College (Westerville, OH)
Point Park University (Pittsburgh, PA)
Prescott College (Prescott, AZ)
Principia College (Elsah, IL)
Queens University (Charlotte, NC)
Randolph College (Lynchburg, VA)
Randolph-Macon College (Ashland, VA)
Regis University (Denver, CO)
Rhodes College (Memphis, TN) CTCL
Ripon College (Ripon, WI)
Roanoke College (Salem, VA)
Roger Williams University (Bristol, RI)
Rollins College (Winter Park, FL)
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (Terre Haute, IN)
St. Mary’s College of Maryland (St. Mary’s City, MD)
San Jose University (San Jose, CA)
Santa Clara University (Santa Clara, CA)
Seattle University (Seattle, WA)
Seton Hll University (South Orange, NJ)
Sewanee/The University of the South (Sewanee, TN)
Simmons College (Boston, MA)
Southern Methodist University (Dallas, TX)
Sonoma State College (Rohnert Park, CA)
Southeastern Missouri State University (Cape Girardeau, MO)
Southwestern University (Georgetown, TX) CTCL
Spring Arbor University (Spring Arbor, MI)
Springfield Technical Community College (Springfield, MA)
St. Louis University (St. Louis, MO)
St. Ambrose University (Davenport, IA)
St. Catherine University (St. Paul, MN)
St. Francis College (Brooklyn Heights, NY)
St. Lawrence University (Canton, NY)
St. Marys College (South Bend, IN)
St. Michael’s College (Colchester, VT)
St. Olaf College (Northfield, MN) CTCL
St. Vincent College (Latrobe, PA)
Stetson University (Deland, FL)
Stonehill College (Easton MA)
SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry (Syracuse, NY)
SUNY Maritime (Throgs Neck, NY)
SUNY Potsdam (Potsdam, NY)
SUNY Purchase (Purchase, NY)
Taylor University (Upland, IN)
Texas Christian University (Ft. Worth, TX)
Temple University (Philadelphia, PA)
The College of New Jersey (Ewing, NJ)
Trinity U (San Antonio, TX)
Truman State University (Kirksville, MO)
Union College (Schenectady, NY)
University of Akron (Akron, Ohio)
University of Alabama – Huntsville (Huntsville, AL)
University of British Columbia (Vancouver, BC, Canada)
University of Central Florida (Orlando, FL)
University of Cincinnatti (Cincinnatti, OH)
University of Dallas (Irving, TX)
University of Dayton (Dayton, OH)
University of Denver (Denver, CO)
University of Louisville (Louisville, KY)
University of Mary Washington (Fredricksburg, VA)
University of Minnesota – Morris (Morris, MN)
University of New England (Biddeford, ME)
University of North Carolina – Asheville (Asheville, NC)
University of North Carolina – Charlotte (Charlotte, NC)
University of North Dakota (Grand Forks, ND)
University of Pittsburgh – Johnston (Johnston, PA)
University of Puget Sound (Tacoma, WA)
University of Portland (Portland, OR)
University of Redlands (Redlands, CA)
University of San Francisco (San Francisco, CA)
University of South Dakota (Vermillion, SD)
University of St. Thomas (St. Paul, MN)
University of Tulsa (Tulsa, OK)
Univeristy of Wisconsin – Eau Claire (Eau Claire, WI)
University of Wisconsin – Milwaukee (Milwaukee, WI)
Ursinus College (Collegeville, PA)
Walla Walla Community College (Walla Walla, WA)
Walsh University (North Canton, OH)
Warren Wilson College (Asheville, NC)
Wartburg College (Waverly, IA)
Washington College (Chestertown, MD)
Washington & Jefferson College (Washington, PA) CTCL
Wayne State College (Wayne, NE)
Wells College (Aurora, NY)
Western Washington University (Bellingham, WA)
Westminster College (New Wilmington, PA)
Westmont College (Santa Barbara, CA)
Whittier College (Whittier, CA)
Whitworth University (Spokane, WA)
Wichita State (Wichita, KS)
Willamette University (Salem, OR)
Winona State University (Winona, MN)
Wittenberg University (Springfield, OH)
Wofford College (Spartanburg, SC)
Xavier University (Cincinnati, OH)
York College (York, PA)</p>
<p>ALREADY ON MANY RADARS
Ball State University (Muncie, IN)
Boston University (Boston, MA)
Brandeis University (Waltham, MA)
Brigham Young University (Provo, Utah)
Connecticut College (New London, CT)
Grinnell College (Grinnell, IA)
Harvey Mudd College (Claremont, CA)
Kenyon College (Gambier, OH)
Oberlin College (Oberlin, OH)
Occidental College (LA, CA)
Pepperdine (Malibu, CA)
Reed College (Portland, OR)
Rensselear Polytechnical Institute (Troy, NY) CTCL
Tufts University (Medford, MA)
University of Delaware (Newark, DE)
University of Iowa (Iowa City, IA)
University of Maryland (College Park, MD)
University of Massachusetts (Amherst, MA)
University of Oregon (Clark Honors College) (Eugene, OR)
Washington & Lee University (Lexington, VA)
Yeshiva University (NY, NY)</p>
<p>I visited U Iowa with S1 a few years ago and thought it was a hidden gem of a school. A wide variety of academic options especially in the engineering and business areas, a good college town and the excitement of Big 10 athletics. Another one I’d throw in is U Minnesota - Twin Cities.</p>
<p>Well, the Heart Attack Kid strikes again. I just checked his grades online, and if report cards came out today, they would be: A, A, A, B, B, D, F.</p>
<p>I can hear it now: “And you think your kid can go to a top-20 school!?”</p>
<p>But I assure you, this is nothing new. Par for the course. Same ol’ same ol’. And by the end of the semester, he’ll have about half A’s and half B’s. It’s like the only thing that motivates him is being woefully behind. (Looking on the bright side, that means he’s always motivated!)</p>
<p>I almost wish he would choose to attend a mid-level college just so I could have the pleasure of seeing him get decent grades AND a decent night’s sleep.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Oh dear. ms, you need to encourage him to find a safety if he is hoping to get into highly competative colleges. Think about what his GC is likely to say in his recommendation letter after seeing those grades. By the time he brings his grades up at the end of the semester, the letter may already have been written and in the mail. I’m not trying to burst your bubble, but just give you food for thought.</p>
<p>^^^^ Out here, it’s just barely a month into the school year if that. I doubt there have even been any major exams, so those grades probably don’t mean much now.</p>
<p>I think I’ve mentioned that I’m in this thread as part of my tutoring of kids for my church. My own kid isn’t a 3.6, probably not even a 2.6. Speaking of real heart attacks, those are the kind of grades he usually has about three weeks before finals (except for the As).</p>
<p>mantori - don’t lose heart just yet. Incentivize him to raise the D & F back up to a B- or better. Be creative with your incentive :). Otoh, see to it that he loves his matches/safety, as we have been relentlessly instructed.</p>
<p>Oh, I know, I know. He will be applying to State U whether he wants to or not. In the application process there is only one thing I am forcing him to do, and that is to apply to a truly safe safety school, and State U is it. (He just applied to the Colorado School of Mines as well, but although he’s pretty much assured of admission there, I don’t think it’s a financial safety because we are out-of-state.)</p>
<p>I wish I could read his recommendations; what a tale of contrasts they could tell. On the one hand, everyone knows about his terrible procrastination problem and poor time-management. On the other hand, they really love him.</p>
<p>His research advisor, a former professor in the UC system, recently told me that my son is his “most able student by far”. When I introduced myself to his GC, she said, “Your son is just…wow!” He’s not just smart, but also responsible and good-natured. But they also know that his problems are keeping him from realizing anything close to his full potential. His GC, even knowing this, said that she thinks he has good chances at top schools, so presumably she intends to give him a good rec. I don’t know about the research advisor.</p>
<p>Well, no use fretting about it. I just hope he gets his apps in on-time. After that, I’m happy to leave it in God’s hands.</p>
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<p>Sounds good, but no dice. I’m not dismissing your suggestion out-of-hand. It’s just that we’ve tried everything since he was little, and nothing, NUH-THING, is an incentive to this kid except his own desire to learn. No money, no privileges, no reward of any kind, nor any punishment, will cause him to change his ways. I think “force of nature” is sometimes used to describe such kids. Either he’ll fix it, or he won’t. It will have nothing to do with me, I assure you. God knows I have tried and learned the hard way for years on end. This year I have finally decided to help him with the things he asks me to and not lose sleep over the rest. He seems fine with that so far.</p>
<p>Just a note, even with EA/ED mid semester grades will be looked at by adcom, even if they are not official.</p>
<p>^^^ only if they are posted on the transcript. At our school, they are not.</p>
<p>ms, your S sounds like mine was . And the only thing that caused him to stop his procrastinating was when he felt a real sting when others [good friends and his mentor], who he did not want to let down, expressed their “disappointment” in him. I think he had to mature some in college AND experience that in order to realize that his actions[ or lack of them] really do have real world consequences.</p>
<p>Does anyone know of stats that show admittance rate breakdown by major for selective colleges?</p>
<p>PCP- the vast majority of kids accepted to selective colleges are majoring in “undecided” and the adcoms know this. Since even a majority of kids who are sure they are majoring in bio or poli sci end up changing fields- the adcom’s put little weight on stated majors.</p>
<p>I read a wonderful speech by President Levin at Yale where he stated that Yale knows how to turn even the most committed science major into a history major, but they haven’t figured out how to turn the history major into an engineer (hence the huge investment in building infrastructure, departments and faculty on Science Hill in New Haven). I can’t imagine that admissions rates by stated major are very meaningful.</p>
<p>Might engineering be different?</p>