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if you have a minority applicant who is qualified and a white applicant who is qualified, and the school is already dominated by white people, why does it make sense to pick the white person in this situation

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<p>I couldn't agree more. Oboesmrtguy40, with your qualifications, you should be at UF. It's the right place for you. The problem is that a large number of AAs are admitted who have nowhere near your qualifications. The problem is that a typical white applicant needs to have something like 200+ points higher on his SAT to be competitive with a typical AA applicant.</p>

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<p>but dude, that's what I am trying to get across to you. It isn't UF's fault. You have to understand this. Listen, many many many white people apply to UF and most of them have stellar grades and GPAs. few, few ,few AAs apply to UF and most of these people have stellar grades but mediocre SATs, and some really high. Now as an admissions officer, once you start evaluating all of these white applicants, who do have high marks, everything starts looking the same, so yes, they probably are going to be a little bit harsh. but that is only because there are not that many AAs with those qualifications. HOWEVER, that doesnt mean they will automatically take the black person. they will then probably look at the black person's profile and find other qualifications on their application that makes them competitive just as well, because as we all know, SATs arent the only thing that makes someone competitive. they have to draw the line somewhere. and this is definitely the case with my girlfriend, who was rejected, and was qualified. im sure some less qualified white people got in over her. but she isnt complaining anymore because she realizes, she was not the only qualified applicant, and we're not even discussing in terms of race anymore, we were discussing in terms of her being compared to everyone in general.</p>

<p>UF definitely wasnt playing the affirmative action game this year because the senior class president at my gf's school is black (at a white school), and she was rejected, whom happened to be the first senior class president in our high school's history to be rejected from UF, and also the first black senior class president. the president's twin sister, who had 10 APs with all As and Bs and a great SAT (especially for a black person) was also rejected. I assure you, black people are not getting in based off skin color.</p>

<p>UF finds many ways of considering someone qualified and competitive, and once a student is considered "qualified," according to UF, then at that point, its every man for himself and you'd better have some other things sticking out on your application. and even with that, they cant take everyone, which equates to all of these rejected people who were qualified. the end.</p>

<p>ps-UF is the 2nd University in the nation that produces the most African American graduates receiving bachelor's degrees, so its not like they dont know what they are doing when they admit qualified black people, and i believe they have the first highest ranking for hispanics. ;)</p>

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<p>Soooo, until we see some significant drop in these rankings, i dont believe it is your place to decide anything in regards to whom they admit because whatever they are doing, its apparently working for the better, and these rankings prove it....oh by the way, i've finally provided "evidence" for my argument (if you dont believe it go look it up)...and let me help you, this will be the quote you will be looking for:</p>

<p>"The University of Florida is ranked 2nd overall in the United States for the total number of Bachelor Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 3rd overall for Hispanics. In addition UF ranks 5th overall in total number of Doctoral Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 2nd overall for Hispanics. Lastly UF ranks 3rd overall in total number of Professional Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 1st overall for Hispanics."</p>

<p>You can argue that blacks and hispanics arent as qualified as you, but you dont see UF ranked as a leading university rewarding bachelor's degrees to whites. and yes i know, its because most universities are white people so this isnt reasonable, but isnt this exactly how it works in the admissions office? sooo many whites, so few minorities, whom by the way ARE qualified, no matter what you feel. you dont review the applications.</p>

<p>So like I said, until we see some dramatic drop in these statistics, your opinion holds truth to nothing and doesn't mean anything. anyone care to say I am not providing evidence or backing up my argument now? didn't think so. and if i should say so myself..."owned"</p>

<p>;)</p>

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<p>Let's suppose there were a University of Bench Pressing. On their application, applicants must submit their highest bench press to date. Okay, well there are lots of green applicants who have high bench press scores, but not so many purple ones. But the admissions officer thinks there should be more purple students enrolled. So she studies the applications of the purple students and spots a trend: many of them sing well or play checkers really, really well. So, either of those criteria now become more important than how much weight the applicant can lift. Now really wierd things happen to the stats of admitted students. Some get rejected who literally have hydraulic cylinders for arms. But that doesn't matter. After all, there are better predictors to success at the U of BP than how much one can bench!</p>

<p>The point I am trying to make is that you can get an excellent education at any state school in Florida. Matching students' records and abilities to the school makes good sense from a lot of perspectives. But insisting that the student demographics of each school match the demographics of the general popululation in unfair and ultimately harmful to all students. For some reason, people have been brainwashed into believing that if the demographics of a school don't match the demographics of the general population, there must be something wrong, there must be something insidious at work there.</p>

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<p>yes but this "analogy" isnt reasonable, because in this scenario, you're assuming that there is only ONE type of qualification and that is "whom can bench press the best", which in this case you WOULD be correct. however, in a COLLEGE setting, there is not ONE type of characteristic that makes a person qualified, so therefore your argument means nothing....ill give you an A for effort though. but its not able to be compared with a real college setting. sorry...next!</p>

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<p>Oboesmrtguy40, for a second there you had me fooled...</p>

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<p>also in regards to your analogy....the only way this would work is if every student in a real college setting were admitted for the exact same field of study, because in your scenario, either the people have the strength to lift the weights or they dont. HOWEVER, the last I checked, there are things called majors and degree programs that DIFFERENT students pursue accordingly to their STRENGTHS and INTERESTS, therefore, not every student is "lifting the same weights," however, this should not be confused with thinking that those "different" students are not ABLE to lift the same amount of weights as the many many many more people who do lift these weights.......nice try</p>

<p>and what do you mean by i almost had you fooled?</p>

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<p>tomslawsky,</p>

<p>We are really tired of your posts. Everbody has been telling you the same thing, but in a nicer way. </p>

<p>You are just brining up the topic of affirmative action because you were rejected. </p>

<p>Join a club.</p>

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<p>^
he said he was about to graduate from UF way to read kolom</p>

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<p>I admit that I was disgusted by tomslawsky's posts so I stopped reading after his second post.</p>

<p>Anyways, Join a club or do something that's productive.</p>

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<p>OBO- I'm sorry for saying you werent qualified, I was wrong on that point and that point ONLY. Honestly, your argument tyle gives no indication of someone who is that sharp. Let me ask you- you assumed I am a biggot and made the statement that I think no minorities are qualified. PLEASE...go find something...ANYTHING I said to that tune. Please!</p>

<p>Also, if UF uses race in ANY way as a hoof for admissions, it's WRONG. But then again, you are going to offer anecdotal evidence todisprove a generality and then rouse emotion by bring up emotional subjects like the war. You've offered NO proofs outside of anecdotal evidence and opinion. </p>

<p>The University of chicago gets it. You need to put away the anecdotes and start considering the AGREGATE statistics of each race admitted. Like I said, if the SAT scores and GPA's are the same, I am wrong, I'll admit it and drop it. I don't know, you don't knw but I am goint to try to get it from the admissions office next week. I will post what I find out either way.</p>

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<p>KOLOM....you're in college. why don't you join a club that embraces the free flow and actual debate of ideas. PUT DOWN THE KOOL ADE. </p>

<p>I want a college admissions department run with public money to run FAIRLY and you guys are hammering me for simply sataing that UF should NOT include race in admissions decisions. Christ, I've even got people concluding that there are no qualified minority applicants...</p>

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<p>""The University of Florida is ranked 2nd overall in the United States for the total number of Bachelor Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 3rd overall for Hispanics. In addition UF ranks 5th overall in total number of Doctoral Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 2nd overall for Hispanics. Lastly UF ranks 3rd overall in total number of Professional Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 1st overall for Hispanics."</p>

<p>You can argue that blacks and hispanics arent as qualified as you, but you dont see UF ranked as a leading university rewarding bachelor's degrees to whites. and yes i know, its because most universities are white people so this isnt reasonable, but isnt this exactly how it works in the admissions office? sooo many whites, so few minorities, whom by the way ARE qualified, no matter what you feel. you dont review the applications."</p>

<p>When did I ever say blacks arent as qualified as me? I have NO PROBLEM with QUALIFIED people getting in. The question of race should be removed from the application. Period. Let me ask you....why do you think the question is there. It would be just as easy to ask the question on the letter of intent to attend the university.</p>

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<p>Hell, there are people I know who would qualify for Harvard, but stop at community college or never even go to college and yes some are minorities. If they applied to UF and were rejected, I would feel it was unfair. If they were rejected specifically to fill a slot for a woman, AA, Asian, or White, a dog...whatever...I'd be outraged.</p>

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<p>I don't care if you're black, white, purple, or orange, but if everything about you besides your race is inferior to the average rejected applicant, I'm sorry, but you don't belong here. URM or not.</p>

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<p>when did you ever argue it?</p>

<p>well isnt that what you've been implying all day? so if that isn't what you are arguing, what exactly are you trying to say? how do we even know that you're qualified over others. secondly, how do we know you're about to be alumni at UF....you seem really...sensitive for someone of this status.</p>

<p>second, who are you to say that these people ARENT qualified in other ways other than yourself? who are you to say this? and how dare you say these people arent qualified when those rankings say other wise. and this isnt even speaking of whether they are qualified over just you or anyone else, this is speaking in terms of them just simply being qualified.</p>

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<p>and why are you telling kolom to post "kool ade".....what if kolom prefers water instead, a liquid that is clear and invisible almost...HMM? </p>

<p>and maybe kolom is choosing not to say anything because you've been rejecting everything else you've been told, which HAS had "kool ade" behind it, even though it shouldnt need it....and im sorry, but i refuse to keep adding sugar to this kool ade...i wouldnt want it to get too sweet and cause the drinker to die from high blood pressure or something</p>

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<p>Screw Uf!!!! Im So ****ed
I remembered reading entries from this thread earlier this year, thought this group might be interested in the AIM program and want to read some of those posts.</p>

<p>How many freshman guys who play the oboe are at UF?</p>

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<p>OBO...again, I will yield to facts....</p>

<p>If the minorities at AS A WHOLE have the same attrition rate as the school, then they were, at least partly as qualified to handle college work. We will see. That still doesn't mean they had the same admissions qualifications, but can be used to make an argument for justification of the ones admitted being there. If their attrition rate is higher than the college in general, you CAN NOT say they were JUST as qualifiied, period.</p>

<p>You guys hammering me should really try to argue facts an not emotion. It is the oldest trick in the book- but I guess it IS effective on most.</p>

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<p>Some of you people think I'm a biggot---FAR from the truth. I just don't believe social engineering is the right thing for a government to do.</p>

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