<p>NYU an Ivy League school?! Please. On the other hand, Michigan is one of the original 8 Public Ivies. NYU will never be the best school in NYC alone. Michigan on the decline? This is exactly what everyone said about Michigan in the 80's, and it's still going strong. Michigan has many, many more highly ranked departments & programs than NYU. According to the prestigious National Research Council (NRC) Report, Michigan was 4th in the nation based on the number of its departments that were highly ranked by the NRC. Michigan only finished behind Stanford & Cal-Berkeley in respect to the avg. score it received across 41 academic disciplines that were evaluated. In contrast, NYU only finished 41st. <a href="http://www.stat.tamu.edu/%7Ejnewton/nrc_rankings/nrc1.html#TOP60%5B/url%5D">http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~jnewton/nrc_rankings/nrc1.html#TOP60</a></p>
<p>Also Michigan's undergrad business program is tied with Berkeley for 3rd in the USN&WR poll, while its grad business program is ranked 10th. NYU is lower in both polls. According to the business polls I've seen, Ross is better than Stern. To my knowledge, NYU only has a higher ranked law school and a great film school. I may be wrong though. But I can't think of any other NYU programs that are more highly regarded than those at Michigan. </p>
<p>NYU better than Michigan? Please. Michigan just has so much more to offer. Only Michigan & Stanford had their medical, business, law, & engineering schools all ranked in USN&WR's top 10. Michigan's undergrad program is ranked 25th by USN&WR and 3rd by the Gourman Report. Michigan is also a top 10 research school. <a href="http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/topresearch.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/topresearch.htm</a> If you ask me, there's really not much of a comparison.</p>
<p>by numbers, nyu is more culturally and raciallky diverse because well, it's in one of the most diverse cities in the world. however michigan is also diverse also because like any top school, people from all races want to go there. go to princetonreview and look at the studentbody page for each school.</p>
<p>Actually, Michigan will seem as considerably more diverse b/c of it's sheer size and the numbers are pretty mucv the same except for NYC chunk of Asian population, which like at Stanford, really stick to themselves. However, Michigan, you'll be living your everyday lives with these people, but at NYU you'll see them at class and in the dorm halls, thre's not much of an NYU community or campus.</p>
<p>i spoke close family friend who went to stern over other business schools becuase she considered herself a city girl and frequented new york city. right now she absolutely hates it there. she has no close friends and the people who 'act' like her friends really only speak to her for help when they need it. she thinks it's really hard to meet good friends there and she doesn't like the stern kids there in general. she wants to transfer to a school with a community feel to it, but her parents won't let her. and she's not a social outcast or anything, she's really nice and friendly and outgoing and has many friends outside of nyu.</p>
<p>she's not saying that stern kids are mean or anything, it's not like it's a gathering site for jerks or impossible to find friends. but even though you may enjoy going to the city, you may feel lonely at stern because of the lack of a true campus. perhaps my friend's experiences may help your decison.</p>
<p>While the USNWR rankings for undergrad business are close ( UMich-#3,NYU-#5), University of Michigan is a much better value, and overall quality, as determined by USNWR of the Best Nat'l Universities, ranks UMich as the 25th best university in the nation, while NYU stands a good ways behind at number 37.</p>
<p>I'd say that rankings of the schools themselves mean little to none in this case, all of the top 50 schools are solid, excellent, well recognized degrees....(exception may be Yeshiva...shhh, don't tell, my advisors alma mater ;))</p>
<p>It really comes down to, how much does New York City mean to you? That's what attracts everyone to NYU, but is NYC worth enough to you to give up the full campus community that is essential to most? I'd say, go to Michigan, and if ou want NYC that bad, go to Columbia for graduate, kapish!</p>
<p>I agree with Cre8tive, one should not look at the rankings only. There is very little difference between #3 and #5 or between #25 and #37. Michigan is indeed ranked higher, but is it that significant? Not really. Go for fit, the rest will take care of itself.</p>
<p>Sorry, Michigan is a much more respectable school than NYU. Michigan has top ten programs in the areas of buisness, medicine, engineering, law, sciences, economics, and the list goes on.... The only program that NYU has an edge over Mich is film. Without Tisch and Stern NYU would be barely even heard of. Plus Stern and Ross are ranked consistantly as top buisness schools...Stern does not have an edge over Ross. And if you want to talk overall undergrad experience then Michigan crushes NYU and many other universities across the nation. Mich is located in a nice college town (Ann Arbor >>> NYC for collegiate experience) and has a very lively social scene and one of the best athletic programs in the nation. If you want to talk USNR, Michigan fell only one spot...look at NYU. -_-</p>
<p>AsdfTT, I agree with much of what you say. But NYU is known for several fields other than the ones you mentioned. Law for example is one of NYU's strengths. Medicine, although not up there yet, just received a $100 million donation from an alum and could make waves in the future. Of course, Phylosophy and Math are two top 10 programs at NYU too. </p>
<p>So I do agree with you that overall, Michigan is more well rounded and it does offer a more complete college experience but some people prefer the NYU experience to more collegiate experiences. It boils down to preference. Clearely Michigan is not on the decline. Whoever thinks it is should look more closely. If anything, Michigan is improving faster than most other top universities. But like I said above, all universities improve constantly and even if Michigan is improving, it is not going to improve dramatically vis-avis its competition.</p>
<p>Michigan crushes NYU? Michigan was not all that, we took a bus there and half of us got lost in that jungle, I'd say neither school is top for undergrad experience, I'd say there on par between the palace dorms at NYU and the spirited studeny body of Ann Arbor.</p>
<p>All of us decided we couldn't stand 4-6 years of 30,000+ students, grad assistants, and fend for ourselves to get attention or even an hour with the professor. IMO, I and many other counselors say that both school are overrated for undergraduate and that there are so many better options out there. If I were in New York, NYU would be one of my last options., I'd rather be at Mount St. Vincent in some way than at NYU.</p>
<p>Cre8tive, I hope for your sake you go to a LAC or a second rate research university because if you go to any top flight research university, you are going to have to accept initiative-taking and effort as a way of life.</p>
<p>It is nyusternman. The mid 50% SAT range (in one sitting for the freshman class of 2004) for enrolled students at the University of Michigan is 1240-1400 and the mean is roughly 1330. The mean unweighed GPA for entering students is 3.8, with 90% graduating in the top 10% of their High School class. </p>
<p>And only the top 10% of Michigan students get into Ross. The average SAT score of the top 10% of Michigan students is 1480.</p>
<p>Michigan & NYU couldn't be more different in respect to their campuses. Ann Arbor is a lovely, invigorating college town with a cosmopolitan flavor. Ann Arbor is the University of Michigan. Michigan definitely has the more traditional collegiate campus of the 2. In contrast, Manhattan is the NYU campus. If you're a hopeless urbanite, perhaps you should go to NYU. Actually I attended a summer program at NYU's Rusk Institute as a premed student at Michigan. Yes, NYU is quite different. Yet if you prefer the traditional "rah-rah sis-boom-ba" collegiate experience, then you may want to consider Michigan. Nothing in the world beats Big Ten football and cheering on the Wolverines in the Big House. </p>
<p>If top notch academic programs aren't enough to sway you, perhaps collegiate sports will float your boat. Michigan has powerhouse Div IA football & ice hockey teams...my 2 favorite sports! You can't beat the strains of "Hail to the Victors" ringing out from Bell Tower on football Saturdays. Michigan is the "winningest" Div IA football program and boasts 11 national championships. The hockey team has the most national championships of any program in the nation and has played in the "Frozen Four" more often than any other club. </p>
<p>Having attended Michigan as an out-of-state student, I can tell you that I don't regret selecting Michigan over my home state schools (UVA & W&M). Michigan also has more than a few students from the NY-NJ metro area. Perhaps you should ask one of these people about his/her experience at Michigan. Michigan will never decline, because it has the largest alum network around the world. We'll never allow that to happen. </p>
<p>As far as students go, Michigan is probably more on the liberal side. But don't take my word for it. Out-of-staters tend to be a little more on the left. However, the activist publication "Mother Jones" has listed Michigan as one of the top activist campuses. I believe NYU was on its list as well. If nothing else will help you decide, perhaps you may ask yourself, "Do I prefer maize & blue to purple?"</p>
<p>Alexandre, if Emory is second rate, then sure, I'll be at a second rate research university ;) Initiative is not my problem, I'm the most proactive guy in my community, and taking effort shouldn't have to be getting lost in a crowd of 30,000+ people and trying to find your way out. I'm mean writing executive summaries for your congressmen and researching at the library in the State House so you can get your foot in the door in your choose field is intiative(this was at 16), getting through red tape, long lines, and fighting for books in a BU is not, atleast its not how it has to be, but I'll take up a fight for my research too.</p>