<p>Cre8tive, you really should stop generalizing & exaggerating about Michigan. Considering that you never attended U of M as a student, you can't be speaking from experience. I never had any problems such as "getting lost" among thousands of students while studying at U of M. No offense, but some of you folks sound like you're expecting some college to baby you. I truly didn't have any problems at Michigan. If one of the courses I wanted was closed, I always received an "override" without a problem. Believe me, if you're not a recluse, you'll find your "niche" very quickly...kind of like in the real world (Ewww....so scary!). I apologize for the sarcasm, but I'm tired of hearing the same thing over & over again from people who never attended Michigan. </p>
<p>Also Emory is good school, but it's not exactly considered to be one of the top research institutions. But that's ok. I know that Emory puts out some high quality research. Each time I drink a Coca-Cola, I'm reminded that I'm contributing to Emory U. These schools are considered to be the top research schools:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/topresearch.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.philosophicalgourmet.com/topresearch.htm</a> (hope the link is working)</p>
<p>I'm not sure I buy that ranking, since the undergraduate prowess was at attention here. I don't want to get into a big lecture about why I think some of these upper level state schools can't really touch de facto ivies at their respective UG levels, but that ranking should not be relevant in a discussion about the UG business programs at Umich/NYU. That is just my opinion. By the way...I would go to NYU Stern in a heartbeat. New York is truly amazing if you can appreciate the hustle bustle of the inner city. NYU Law > Umich Law for various reasons as well (the law schools were mentioned somewhere in the thread). Ronald Dworkin is one of the most cited professors in existence.</p>
<p>Guys, there is a simple way to find out which one is truly better.</p>
<p>Let the football teams play each other. :D</p>
<p>Miriam Boo you seem like one of those intelligent people who bases her life on usnews. Michigan may have great faculty but its student body is average-mediocre at best, period.</p>
<p>LOL, trying to rip the Michigan student body.</p>
<p>Go back to your hole in your parent's basement.</p>
<p>the engineering program at Michigan has like an 80% acceptance rate.
That's hilarious.</p>
<p>nyusternman, you seem to find alot of things regarding Michigan difficult to believe. Yet you seem to have easily swallowed that propaganda about NYU being an Ivy League school. Yes, NYU is a very good school, but it doesn't come close to Michigan in regard to highly regarded departments & programs across the board. Michigan is a much more complete university. Frankly, I would never consider paying all of that money for a non-Ivy education. However, I would consider attending NYU for film school. It has one of the top film programs in the nation. NYU is a good school, but you really need to stop bashing Michigan. I haven't seen any evidence (polls) that supports your claim that NYU is a better school than Michigan. From all of the polls I've seen, it most certainly is not.</p>
<p>Michigan is a good school, but I wouldn't attend any of its programs over NYU. It used to be very good like Berkeley once was, but those days are long past.</p>
<p>And why do you say that? What ever happend that caused Michigan/Berkeley to decline and why do you consider NYU on the same level as the ivies? Stop bashing Michigan's student body because it's stronger than NYU's. Michigan has 90% of its student body graduating from the top 10% of their class...that's better than many other elite schools. Plus Michigan can accept a lot of students because they can support a large body of qualified sudents. A school with a low acceptance rate does not mean it's more prestigious than one with a higher one.</p>
<p>"Michigan has 90% of its student body graduating from the top 10% of their class..."</p>
<p>Well, sure, so do the UC schools, but is top 10% in an easy public high school where As are handed out an accomplishment? Let's be honest, most public high schools are a joke. I don't care about prestige at all, I am just stating the truth that Michigan is quite overrated, especially because it has a very very average student body, and thats what make a school what it is. It's similar to the law schools, where NYU's 25th %ile lsat is higher than Michigan's 75th %ile. It just has better students.</p>
<p>nyusternum, if you were actually familiar with what I believe, you would know that I reject the USN&WR undergrad poll as biased & invalid. I feel this way toward every commercial poll. Like I've written repeatedly on this board, the National Research Council (NRC) Report is the most prestigious & respected academic ranking according to most academicians. The NRC Report was sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences and is non-commercial. If you don't believe me, you can check it out in such publications as "The Chronicles of Higher Education" or other reputable academic journals. Agree or disagree, the departments with the top grad programs are considered to be the top departments. I wouldn't lend much credibility to any commercial poll. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. You're free to "buy" or believe any poll you want. Unfortunately, most choose to only acknowledge those polls which favor their own schools.</p>
<p>exactly, i'm not going off polls. i'm going off student body numbers, which clearly favors nyu.</p>
<p>NYU-37 dropped 5 over and OUT</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>to the OP:</p>
<p>go to umich because it is overrall MUCH better. Go to NYU if you get into Stern. Ross is very good, but Stern is....wow to me.</p>
<p>BTW Duke's ranking sucks on NRC, so I cannot believe anything they say. :)</p>
<p>BTW - OP, Michigan's Ross school of business will be completely new. They are tearing down and rebuilding the building, making it state-of-the-art.</p>
<p>"NYU-37 dropped 5 over and OUT"</p>
<p>Like I said , I could care less what usnews says. fact of the matter is nyu has a high SAt range, higher than michigan (while having tisch which isn't big on the SAT) and is viewed as hs student's dream school. That means more to me than what some publication decides to 'rank' schools as.</p>
<p>"is viewed as a hs student's dream school"</p>
<p>That's funny, because i'm a HS student, I have no intentions of going or even applying to NYU (even though it's one of the few schools that offers my major) and I think Michigan's my "dream school".</p>
<p>So while it may be "your dream school", it's not mine, it's not hundreds of thousands of other student's "dream school". </p>
<p>And the argument "it's my dream school" is weak when comparing the two. Since when does your idea of a dream school count for comparing two schools? Someone who hates the big city may favor a school in a small city. But they aren't bloating that as a reason why it's better overall.</p>
<p>nyusternum, I don't believe much of anything you're writing. You lost much of your credibility when you claimed that NYU is an Ivy League school. You can have the students with the highest SAT, GRE, LSAT, GMAT, or MCAT scores in the world. But what good is it when you're lacking strong departments & programs? Public universities have a completely different mission than private schools. They are required to educate the population which they serve. That means that they must accept a certain percentage of state residents. They're generally larger institutions as well. </p>
<p>Common sense should tell you that when you have more slots to fill, normally you can't be as selective. The avg. SAT score for incoming Michigan freshmen was over 1300 in '04...not bad at all for a class of over 6000 students. When you have over 6000 slots to fill, you're normally not going to get an avg. SAT in the 1400's or 1500's. I would like to see NYU try to fill over 6000 slots. I doubt that NYU could manage to fill 3000 slots with its exorbitant tuition fees and relative lack of top programs across the board. When you have less slots to fill, you can afford to be more selective. You don't have to be Einstein to figure that out. If your SAT's are really high, you can apply to the Honors Program at Michigan. </p>
<p>Actually you should love the USN&WR poll, as it appears to favor the small, private undergrad program. Yet it doesn't seem to favor NYU so much. I wonder why? Hmmm. Sorry, but NYU just doesn't have the quality programs across the board that Michigan has. As I'm not a big fan of the Olson twins, it really doesn't have much else to offer me. No thanks. I'd rather go Ivy League for all that money. Smaller doesn't mean better. Certainly someone has brought this to your attention at some point in your life.</p>
<p>A2 i am not even going to bother arguing because you know the truth.
Look, Mich has a good rep and good profs, but an average student body. if you can provide any info. to prove mich is the great school it is, feel free to go ahead. Be honest, any NJ/NYC kids going to Mich out of state are NYU/Columbia rejects, considering Mich out of state is as expensive as NYU.</p>
<p>"Actually you should love the USN&WR poll, as it appears to favor the small, private undergrad program. Yet it doesn't seem to favor NYU so much. I wonder why? Hmmm. Sorry, but NYU just doesn't have the quality programs across the board that Michigan has. As I'm not a big fan of the Olson twins, it really doesn't have much else to offer me. No thanks. I'd rather go Ivy League for all that money. Smaller doesn't mean better. Certainly someone has brought this to your attention at some point in your life"</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice, but as an alum I can assure you that attending Stern, I am doing quite well for myself out of school. But I do appreciate a 19 year old's concern.</p>
<p>Michigan has an average student body... i'm done with you. You're absolutely clueless.</p>
<p>How's NYU's football team looking this year? Basketball? HAHA!</p>