<p>Hypthectically speaking, if I were already accepted into JHU, should I attend it or UVa? I have already gotten into UVa and it used to be my first choice untill JHU, but now that I've been accepted, it has become reality for me and I'm obsessed again. I'm in-state for UVa by the way. I want to do Pre-med and International Relations with a minor in music. Even my mother who has been telling me about JHU since I was five is all UVa now.</p>
<p>It depends. If costs were the same after FA, or if your parents are well off enough so that cost is not a factor, then I would chose Hopkins without hesitation. Especially in the two areas you are interested in. But UVA is one of the best public institutions around, so if cost is a serious issue, it is a great alternative. While Hopkins offers some of the finest educational opportunities around, I wouldn’t go $100,000 in debt to choose it over Virginia.</p>
<p>Alternatively, you could choose based upon the results of yesterday’s lacrosse game (Hopkins beat the Woos in OT). :)</p>
<p>Yeah. Cost is a definite factor and I won’t know my FA reward until next week. And I always cheer for Hopkins when they play each other, but next year might be a different story.</p>
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<p>I agree with the above. If a person has a wealthy family or if the financial aid ends up roughly equal in costs, I’d pick JHU. Otherwise, I’d pick UVa and save your debt capacity for med school.</p>
<p>Besides, UVa would be a helluva lot more fun.</p>
<p>The biggest downside of UVa is the very large size of intro science classes.</p>
<p>Yeah my family has already chosen UVa. I know I’m gonna have a great time. And I hate large classes, but I’m going to have to deal with it.</p>
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<p>Not me, and for two areas that you are interested in. Approx. 35% of all incoming Hopkins Frosh are premed. Only the hearty make it through the gauntlet. While the resources are excellent, the odds are extremely long. I’d take UVa instate and bank the difference for grad school, or a car for graduation.</p>
<p>Yes, Hopkins is outstanding for IR. But note, one really needs a grad degree and overseas experience for IR, so undergrad is really a non-factor.</p>
<p>btw: just because it is private, doesn’t mean the Hopkins doesn’t have large classes. With the exception of LACs and a few unis like Tufts and Emory, premed by definition, means large classes. I have an old USNews report and it shows Hopkins with 11% of classes with 50 students or better. The same number for UVa is 14%.</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice. I think that “On the Lawn” is going to solidify UVa as my choice.</p>
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<p>Great choice to have and you won’t lose out whatever you might pick. I think the financial tilt the advantage to UVA. Don’t think Hopkins is worth the extra unless you have some specific reason for going there.</p>
<p>Yeah that was my thought exactly. UVa for now and Hopkins hopefully for grad school. Save myself some money I guess.</p>
<p>^Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I disagree with you on the facts. First, it is possible to find a great job with a BA in international studies, at least from Hopkins. My son graduated JHU with that degree, and was hired right out of school as a researcher at a top DC think tank. Although that job advertised a MA as a minimum requirement, they made an exception for a BA from Hopkins. He also had offers from 2 intelligence agencies and the US foreign service. He stayed at the think tank for 4 years and now is finishing his PhD in a top program. While I think my son is terrific, he certainly was not alone among his cohort.</p>
<p>And to suggest that the “odds are extremely long” for Hopkins premeds is patently ridiculous. About 25% of the class go on to med school. Sure, that’s less than the percentage who start as premed but the same is true at UVA and every place else. Keep in mind that, while some drop premed because they are realistic in light of their performance, many drop out because they find something they like better than medicine. If you speak to admissions officers at med schools (I have), you will find that Hopkins students are as prized as any in the nation.</p>
<p>I do agree that class sizes in pre med required science classes tend to be large everywhere. It’s a lecture. As long as you have a seat, it really doesn’t matter. Your problem sets, questions, quizzes, etc. Are all done in your section (with a graduate student TA). That class is small.</p>
<p>Hopkins>>UVirginia but if cost is an issue, not a bad fall-back school. Greeks and sports are big time at Virginia, esp compared to JHU.</p>
<p>Bonanza, thank you for making my point: job listed an grad degree ad a requirement. Your son is now pursuing a grad degree.<br>
It looks like my “facts” were correct.</p>
<p>Btw: who is to say that DC think tank would also “not make an exception” for a UVa grad? My son also had offers from the foreign service, and he was a Zlit major!</p>
<p>But please do post the source for your “fact” that 25% of The Hopkins class gets into med school. That number would dwarf any other school, if true. Even HYPS doesn’t have that high of an acceptance ratd.</p>
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<p>Of those who applied, 111 were seniors; the rest were alums. Assuming that the 63% acceptance rate was the same across all applicants (yeah, a bad assumption), that would mean that ~70 undergrads were accepted in a traditional application cycle (end of Jr year).</p>
<p>There are ~1600 incoming frosh at Hopkins. Of those, 500+ are premed at matriculation.</p>
<p>The point is that premed odds are long at every college.</p>
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<p>I’m sure that is true, but they are no more “prized” than a student from any other top tier academic school, which would include UVa.</p>
<p>I think bonanza means that eventually 25% of any given JHU graduating class ends up in medical school. Not everyone goes to medical school immediately after leaving undergrad so in order to see what percentage of any given class at JHU ended up pursuing an MD, you’d have to look at graduating years like 2006 or 2007 to paint a full picture.</p>
<p>I’m inclined to believe him since my alma mater (Duke) has a similar percentage.</p>
<p>I’m surprised that JHU’s med school acceptance rate is isn’t higher - I believe I read that nationally about 50% of the people who apply to med school don’t get in anywhere. Of course, each university varies by how much they pressure people to not apply, and how hard they make their upper level classes.</p>
<p>I think the med school % is abysmally low, given the caliber of every single student who starts out premed there. The gatekeeping for med school aps is tight there and the word “cut throat” is what is often used in describing the premed courses. I discourage all but the very top students who want to go into the sciences from going there. The chances of getting into a med school are much higher going to a more nurturing school. For those with a true thirst for research and who are the highest academic and intellectual students, it is the place to go.</p>
<p>FYI for classes under 20 students, JHU has 68% while UVa has 52% per US News.</p>
<p>UVa’s premed program is not all fun and roses either. (<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-virginia/1092901-im-scared-uva.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-virginia/1092901-im-scared-uva.html</a>) Unless you’ve actually attended both schools and taken the same classes, you cannot possibly evaluate the rigors of either program comparatively.</p>
<p>Okay I was just accepted into the College of William and Mary. I don’t know what to choose. D:</p>
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<p>until you are accepted to JHU, you don’t have the option…zing!</p>