<p>final transcript will tell the tale. if the gc tries to cover by repeating his mistake, that will look even worse for everyone! i find this very hard to believe. if your transcript was that poor, how did your friend get in to pton? it's a great hypothetical situation for discussion, though.</p>
<p>You no longer have a choice. Is it only HYP that have EA? You've eliminated P. H and Y are looking at your postings here on this forum and comparing them to all the Smiths/jones/millers/etc. in their relatively few "white trash poor" acceptances.</p>
<p>beprepn</p>
<p>haha I did not know HYP would classify people into such categories as "white trash poor"....I doubt admissions officers are CC whores...</p>
<p>I doubt this is a fake post, since the OP has been posting for over a year (including about his grades).</p>
<p>To the OP: Can you honestly live with yourself going to a school for four years that you don't know if you should be at or deserve to be at since it wasn't your transcript? Could you look at your college diploma and put it down on your resume not knowing whether or not you deserved to have gone to that school in the first place?</p>
<p>I know I wouldn't be able to.</p>
<p>i wouldnt assume its HYP. remember, he called princeton EA as well, so he prob doesn't know the difference.</p>
<p>Lookin' at past posts made by the OP a lot of them seem to be in the Harvard forum. And some people do make mistakes, even if they know it's ED and not EA or vice versa.</p>
<p>A book I read that was printed a few years ago said Brown took the EA route with Harvard and Yale. I would assume they changed their policy since, but if I was in a bubble and didn't bother to learn about Brown in the admissions process, I would still think they offered EA instead of ED.</p>
<p>stuyvesant?</p>
<p>Here are his stats from a previous post:</p>
<p>" Chances at NYU? Help!
Hi guys, wanted your opinion on this. Applying to the Liberal Arts college at NYU. Do I stand any chance of admission? Here are my stats:</p>
<p>Out of state.
Not a minority.
GPA 3.2/4.0 UW(I fell in with a bad crowd sophomore year), Class Rank not calculated (I'd estimate I'm in the top half at the very least)
1450 on old SATs (800 Verbal, 650 Math)
2240 on new SATs (800 Essay, 800 Verbal, 640 Math -just can't seem to get that math score up haha)</p>
<p>800 US History SAT II
740 World History SAT II
710 English Literature SAT II</p>
<p>31 Cumulative on ACT
Have always taken very rigorous courses</p>
<p>Junior Year:
AP US History: 91 both semesters - 5 on exam
AP English Language/Comp - 90/91 - 4 on exam
AP Bio - 89/90 - 4 on exam
On-level Alg./Trig - 83/85
Individual & The Law Honors Elective - 98</p>
<p>Senior Year:</p>
<p>AP Gov't - 97
AP English Lit/Comp - 89(will be a 90 by end of semester)
AP Psychology - 93
AP Microeconomics - not taken yet
AP Spanish V - 91
On-level Calc AB - 81
Gifted Comparative Religion - 97
Gifted Philosophy - not taken yet</p>
<p>Excellent teacher recs from 11th grade AP classes (US History and English Language teachers, they've known me for a long time)</p>
<p>The best essays I've ever written. Really.</p>
<p>ECs:</p>
<p>EYCS Episcopal Youth Community Service (President since 10th grade, we average 40 service hours a month)</p>
<p>Debate Team - Numerous speaker awards, finalist in several regional tournaments</p>
<p>Politically Active Citizens - Executive Board Member, assisted in bringing about a community-wide voter registration drive. Was a poll worker in the 2004 Presidential Elections.</p>
<p>Boys' State '05 - Federalist Candidate for Governor, lost by only 7 votes</p>
<p>National Youth Leadership Forum on Law</p>
<p>Community Cleanup Crew - 10-15 Service hours yearly</p>
<p>Singlehandedly began an ACLU Campaign to bring about a change in my county's voting laws that was ultimately successful.</p>
<p>St. Lawrence Rowing Team - Novice '04, Varsity '05, stroke seat on "A" boat</p>
<p>Work Experience:
Work summers as a lifeguard, manager for a pool with 15 employees, worked at least 40 hours a week
Poll Worker in 2004 Elections "</p>
<p>Your SATs are fairly good and your ECs are somewhat good too. </p>
<p>You have to tell them dude. I'm almost 100% sure they'll still accept you for being honest. But seriously, if you don't tell them, you're never going to feel like you belong and you're never going to feel like you deserve to be there. </p>
<p>If worse comes to worse and they do reject you after hearing the truth, I'm sure you'll still be able to get into another great college. </p>
<p>It's not worth the risk of getting expelled/losing your diploma later on. </p>
<p>Still, I would be shocked if they ended up rejecting you. SHOCKED. So do the right thing. Write a great essay about your dilemma, and how you want to go to their school so bad, but you had to do the right thing. No way will any admissions officer turn you down.</p>
<p>P.S. Your guidance counselor is a piece of trash. To send in the wrong final report on purpose is disgusting. She/he should be fired. Tell the school your guidance counselor is an idiot. Because she/he is.</p>
<p>what's a troll??? (sorry yes i know how ignorant i am:) )</p>
<p>If I were in your place, considering there was no victim, I would accept the admission in a flash. This ISN'T wrong. Who says you don't have to take advantage of situations? Buddy, believe me, you do. 'Doing the right thing' is a noble ideal, but that isn't what gets you ahead in life- especially when it's something like this, i.e. not a crime, not your fault, and thus, not 'the wrong thing' to do, either.</p>
<p>Accept the admission. You deserve it. Life has given you a break, a big chance, which is rare. Take it. This is your dream, right? This is what you want to do? Then there is no question about it.</p>
<p>Then again, if it feels like you're doing something wrong (even though it's not... But then again morality and 'doing the right thing' are relative terms, so what might be great for me may be unacceptable for you) and your conscience can't take it, then I guess you should follow the (noble but never followed) false principles and moral code that society, education and perhaps religion has drummed into your head since you were a child.</p>
<p>THEN AGAIN THIS ONLY APPLIES IF there is 0% chance that you get caught, and a 0% chance that the university can do anything about it (i.e. there's no chance that punitive action is carried out against you, including mentioning it in your permanent record).</p>
<p>If there is some possibility of you being caught and the whole thing being found out, don't do it.
Like another poster said, tell them how badly you want to get in etc and I doubt they'll reject you. Even if they do you'll get into another great college, without running the risk of suffering a black mark on your record.</p>
<p>hahah, wow man, wat an opportunity. ur choice w/e you want to do, good luck.</p>
<p>and what if this guy already graduated from this supposed uni, what if hes just trying to rationalize what he chose to do? good luck again..</p>
<p>how do you know your sleazy/stupid ass gc didn't tell the other guy or that he won't find out and eventually blow the whole thing?
It's a tough man mate- good luck , "meditate on it" (he he he p.s that never works for me) no but seriously - it's all fine and dandy for me to sit here and say blow itand do whats right and all that but now I'm thinking would i REALLLY do that - i don't know but, it depends on you. All I can say is it's a tough decision (duh! :) ) and remember your'e gonna have to ,livw with it and build your future on it - good luck!</p>
<p>It would also be prudent to acknowledge that people here also have their own personal interests vested in your declining of the offer. Sometimes the competition can become so fierce that other students will do anything it takes, no matter how insignificant it may seem, to gather an edge. If truth and honesty are the faces of what you see here, it wouldn't be improbable that a few of them are hypocritically lying to you to see you make a morally "correct" choice at the expense of your future.</p>
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It would also be prudent to acknowledge that people here also have their own personal interests vested in your declining of the offer. Sometimes the competition can become so fierce that other students will do anything it takes, no matter how insignificant it may seem, to gather an edge. If truth and honesty are the faces of what you see here, it wouldn't be improbable that a few of them are hypocritically lying to you to see you make a morally "correct" choice at the expense of your future.
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<p>I'll bite as there is no personal agenda here.</p>
<p>Parent</p>
<p>Already a college grad, already completed 2 Master degrees (including one from an Ivy. </p>
<p>Current PhD student</p>
<p>My kid already attends an Ivy</p>
<p>In my professional life have been involved with students and the college process for over 10 years</p>
<p>Have seen a number of people get their admissions rescinded including a student who got their admission during orientation, and a student who got their admission rescinded from the PhD program that I am in.</p>
<p>By the way, there are a lot of inconsistencies as OP's story does not match up with your back story.</p>
<p>On the thread about is your GC really helpful you wrote:</p>
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My guidance counselor was more or less useless... he isn't very smart, he doesn't like me, and he has to deal with 3000 other students.</p>
<p>I managed to get into an ivy league college with average/below average grades, regardless.</p>
<p>It won't hurt you that much if he doesn't know you.
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<p>If this is true then it means you either got into Harvard/Yale EA (did not see you listed on any of the official decision threads)</p>
<p>IF true, why is OP continuing the process since they essentially reamed someone else out for the same thing?</p>
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I find it extremely difficult to believe you're actually considering other colleges, although it would depend upon exactly which colleges we were talking about. I smell BS.</p>
<p>Just keep in mind that every action has a consequence, and as many schools do not keep ranked waiting lists, you may well keep a qualified student out of their first choice school. The fact it could even POTENTIALLY cause someone else harm should give you pause. Your admission to Harvard was literally an act of God, just like everyone else who was admitted. You have been given a precious gift, four years at the country's most revered institution of learning. Despite it, you're not satisfied. Your actions could deny someone else their deserved admission. </p>
<p>I think you're lying about the financial situation, as I know for FACT that Harvard's aid is EXTREMELY generous. If you or your family truly need help paying for college, you will receive it.</p>
<p>You're also wasting the time of the interviewers, as NSM said.</p>
<p>It is reprehensible and low behavior, not fit for someone admitted to Harvard
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<p>Op has also responded to requests on a few IVY threads to posters volunteering to read their essays: Harvard on 12/19 & 12/29, Penn on 12/24, Columbia on 1/2, </p>
<p>Something about all of this sound a little sketchy about the scenario but still a good test to evaluate one ethics.</p>
<p>I meant no disrespect Sybbie, just pointing out something to be mindful of when hearing the responses to this post.</p>
<p>What you have quoted may appear to be an inconsistancy, but remember how he just recently got this guidance counselor call? Therefore he thought his below average grades helped him when in fact his transcript wasn't even his at that time.</p>
<p>i dont think this story is true......
coz there is no way anyone can be accepted to princeton with Ds in his transcript!!
but if this situation ever happenned to me....i would tell the school the truth!! even if it meant that collegs will blacklist my school and reject all others from my school!!......at least this will teach my totally ignorant and super expensive (he charges us like hell for small documents) GC a good lesson!!!!!!!</p>
<p>does it necessarily mean that the pton guy had OP's transcript sent to pton?
Maybe princeton guy's transcript was sent twice... one for him at pton, and once for the OP at whateve IVy they wanted.</p>
<p>and personally, I don't think that later generations of applicants from the HS should be punished for the GC's mistake... put yourself in those shoes. You're a junior, and the year before you apply to college, you're GC messes up and jeopardizes all further generations of IVY applicants from your school. I would be beyond ****ed.
Also.. I think the guidance counselor shouldn't have told the OP, cause look what difficult situation he has to face. GC should've just handled the situation... and once it was settled, only then can he tell the OP.</p>
<p>I have a feeling this is going to be a classic CC thread.</p>
<p>Just like the one with HotIvy something....</p>