UPenn Econ vs Cornell Econ, international prestige

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<p>akkipenn, since when did the small group of students that you know represent the entire population in Asia. Cornell has more prestige than Penn in Asia. Penn’s name isn’t something normal people associate with prestige (mainly cause it’s a state). Again, I’m not saying this makes Cornell better. However, you shouldn’t deny the obvious. Even other Penn people admit this fact.</p>

<p>Plus, anyone can say “in my school 12312312 people applied to Penn while only 5 got accepted and 12 people applied to Cornell and all 12 got accepted.” That doesn’t mean anything.</p>

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<p>true true but i dont think u got my point. my point wasnt to measure or depict the selectivity of the 2 schools by showing how many got in out of how many but rather the number of applicants that applied to the school and the fact that penn has more applicants and then penn has more students from here means that people here are more attracted to penn. my point exactly. </p>

<p>i agree on the stats and the generalisation but there i was juts trying to make a point of india mainly. but if ure SO freaking sure that cornell has a better recognition can u pls explain the % of students who are international in penn and in cornell. Cornell has 10% of its applicants as international students (<a href=“http://www.ipr.cornell.edu/documents/1000001.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ipr.cornell.edu/documents/1000001.pdf&lt;/a&gt;) whereas penn has 318 of its 2477 enrolled students as international ([Penn</a> Admissions: Incoming Class Profile](<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/]Penn”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/profile/)) which is 13%. Not a big difference but big enough to show international significance. </p>

<p>Also, to be truthful, call me ignorant but i had never heard of penn state before joining CC. the only ‘penn’ college i had heard of was Penn. penn state, as far as i know, has a greater influence in America and not abroad. Most people here and in most other countries just know one penn, the true penn- university of pennsylvania.</p>

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<p>This is absurd. It is impossible to deny Penn’s greater prestige and selectivity, at the very least at the undergraduate level. Almost every ranking of selectivity, going back to 2000, ranks Penn in the top 10, and Cornell around the ~16 mark. Cornell is great, but it is simply less selective than Penn. Bottom line.</p>

<p>Here are several such rankings:

  1. The Atlantic ranking, when Penn was JUST beginning to flex its new-found selectivity muscle: Penn is 8th, Cornell is 21st. [A</a> Selectivity Database | A Sidebar to “The Selectivity Illusion”](<a href=“http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2003/11/collegetable.htm]A”>A Selectivity Database | A Sidebar to "The Selectivity Illusion")
  2. US News Selectivity Ranking - this is a subranking provided in the college rankings edition. Penn is 6th, tied with Columbia; Cornell is 14th.
  3. Princeton Review’s top 10 toughest schools to get into: Penn is 6th. Cornell doesn’t place. <a href=“Redirect Notice”>Redirect Notice;
  4. Huffington Post - Penn is right behind MIT and Dartmouth, right before Duke and Pomona. Cornell is unranked. [The</a> HARDEST Schools To Get Into 2010 (PHOTOS)](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>The HARDEST Schools To Get Into 2010 (PHOTOS) | HuffPost College)</p>

<p>…and so on. Yes, I know that Cornell’s state schools do some serious damage to CAS and engineering’s true selectivity; but we’re talking holistically. US News includes all of Penn’s colleges, as well, and we definitely take a hit for nursing (20%+ acceptance rates, low SATs, etc.).</p>

<p>But the point is, there’s no argument to be made for selectivity. And as for prestige; well, in my mind, that’s largely defined by publicly accepted rankings systems. And those, at my high school at least, favored Penn heavily. Lay prestige? Ask a farmer which school he’s heard of, and he’s unlikely to know of either. The confusing, “Penn state?” thing happens less often than you’d like to think. And to foreigners, it really doesn’t matter that it’s the name of a state, because they don’t know of many individual states anyway. How many Canadian provinces can you name? What about Swiss cantons? Or Indian provinces?</p>

<p>Exactly.</p>

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<p>true that.</p>

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<p>Likewise, there’s a host of people rejected from Penn who got into Columbia (or HYPSM, for that matter).</p>

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<p>This is getting a little ridiculous. No one cares about the prestige difference between penn and cornell, not high school seniors, not employers at GS or other BB banks, not your parents, teachers, children, or pets. No one could give a flying <strong><em>. Honestly the only place I have EVER heard a debate about the difference in prestige or quality or whatever you want to call it between penn and cornell, or penn and columbia, or columbia and cornell, is on college confidential and the vast majority of people arguing the points are high school seniors who cite the NRC graduate research rankings (of which I showed in an earlier post show penn and cornell have the exact same ranking overall) or some US new BS that uses the fact that the quartiles of penn are like, .1% higher than that of cornell, or the fact that cornell has a larger research budget than penn to make decisions. NO ONE CARES. when you graduate from whatever school you graduate from, people will judge you on our merits, whether you graduate from penn, or princeton, or harvard, or cornell, or the university of illinois. ZERO people will care in the .07 difference between cornell and penn in the UNSWR ranking. When I tell people in 20 years “I graduated from cornell” no penn grads are going to state “well I graduated from penn and we are ranked 2 notches higher in underwaterbasketweaving” and if the penn grad did they would come off as a pompous </em></strong>* as EVERYONE ELSE on this *<strong><em>ing thread sounds like. The people defending cornell sound like pompus *</em></strong><strong><em>s, and the people defending penn sound like pompous *</em></strong>***s. </p>

<p>At the end of the day, the difference in prestige between penn and cornell is negligible if it even exists. </p>

<p>Seriosly, high school seniors, whether you are from Penn or Cornell. NO ONE CARES. comprehend this please “THERE ISN’T A DIFFERENCE AND IF YOU EVER BRING A PERCEIVED DIFFERENCE UP IN CONVERSATION EVERYONE ELSE WILL DISCREDIT YOU DUE TO YOUR POMPOSITY”</p>

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<p>Penn did not have a 50% ED admit rate. That is a ludicrous claim that anyone would a sane mind would know is false. Please back up your claim.</p>

<p>Penn had an ED acceptance rate of 29% and Cornell had an ED acceptance rate of 37%. That completely negates your argument so please stop falsifying information. As for proof, see here: [Ivy</a> League Admission Statistics for Class of 2014 Hernandez College Consulting, Inc. and Ivy League Admission Help](<a href=“http://www.hernandezcollegeconsulting.com/ivy-league-admissions-statistics/]Ivy”>http://www.hernandezcollegeconsulting.com/ivy-league-admissions-statistics/)</p>

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<p>^I think whoever posted that was saying Penn fills 50% of its incoming class with ED applicants not that it accepts 50% of ED applicants.</p>

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<p>Thhbonepickens, acutallu people do care they just dint say it in your face to make you feel bad :)</p>

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<p>Type error, actually and dont</p>

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<p>^speak clearly young one. Your empty thoughts are filling this board with the informational equivalent of diarrhea.</p>

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<p>it’s embarassing for penn this comparison even exists.</p>

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<p>wow there r people who actually spend time typing a some hundreds word text on cc just to bash/defend a school. thats incredible :)</p>

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<p>That’s a really rude (misspelled) statement to make. Why would it be embarrassing for Penn to be compared to a school consistently ranked as one of the top 15 in the world?</p>

<p>Just curious - when you all are talking “economics”, are you just talking about Cornell’s CAS program or also including the CALS Applied Economics program? That one’s consistently ranked as one of the best u-grad business programs since it was revamped, but I don’t think anyone would argue that Wharton still holds a higher prestige, since that is the question asked.</p>

<p>Anyway, as someone in the “real world”, I can attest to tboonepickens’ claims. Absolutely no one is ever going to perceive any difference between schools like Penn and Cornell or any top schools. They can all give you a great education and collectively open doors, but you’ll live or die on your own merits.</p>

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<p>Cornell is NOT consistently ranked in the top 15 in the world, that would be Penn. Cornell is more like top 30. Deal with it.</p>

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<p>And people do care, employers care, educated people know the difference (granted, a small one), just because you are affiliated to Cornell and want to feel good by believing Penn and Cornell are equal, doesn’t really make them equal. There is always a difference between top universities, some will be better at some things and weaker at others. The bottom line is that Penn is better at much more things than Cornell is better than Penn.</p>

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<p>I like apple pie.</p>

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<p>poste3 - I think your post is a little insulting (toward Cornell) and a bit misguided. People oftentimes misinterpret the factors that go into a hiring decision made by employers. I really don’t know how often an employer says “well this kid went to UPenn, and this other one went to Cornell, so I’m going with the Penn kid.” I’d imagine that sort of analysis happens much less than you may think. </p>

<p>Rather, a student’s performance, recommendations, interview skills, etc., prove to be the more determinative factors. There really won’t be a ton of difference in terms of the education received at either Cornell or Penn, and the econ programs are comparable (it’s certainly not unfounded to compare them to one another). </p>

<p>I just don’t think employers see a ton of difference between Cornell and UPenn kids. The other factors I mentioned above would be much more influential in the final hiring decision. (I actually think that while the top 3 ivies - HYP - get a bit of a boost here, the rest of the ivies become a bit more interchangeable on this front.)</p>

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<p>Yes, I agree that personal skills are the determining factor, however, if there is a penn kid and a cornell kid with all else equal, employers would choose the penn guy. Also, Wharton’s presence is a huge boost because it attracts by faaar the largest number of recruiters in finance, more than harvard, and any Penn student can take advantage of this.</p>

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<p>NRC RANKINGS MEGA POST:</p>

<p>Classics</p>

<p>12 Cornell 3.73
13 Penn 3.62</p>

<p>Comp. Lit.</p>

<p>6 Cornell 4.31
11 Penn 3.99</p>

<p>English</p>

<p>7 Cornell 4.49
8 Penn 4.47</p>

<p>German</p>

<p>3 Cornell 4.19
16 Penn 3.26</p>

<p>Philosophy
8 Cornell 4.11
26 Penn 3.15 ouch</p>

<p>Ecol/Evol/Behav</p>

<p>4 Cornell 4.44
14 Penn 3.90</p>

<p>Aerospace Eng</p>

<p>6 Cornell 3.93
Penn Unranked</p>

<p>Civil Eng</p>

<p>6 Cornell 4.30
penn Unranked</p>

<p>Electrical Eng</p>

<p>7 Cornell 4.35
41 Penn 3.11</p>

<p>(both unranked in industrial engineering)</p>

<p>Materials Science</p>

<p>3 Cornell 4.35
10 Penn 3.79</p>

<p>Mechanical Eng</p>

<p>7 Cornell 4.15
22 Penn 3.40</p>

<p>Astrophys/Astron</p>

<p>9 Cornell 3.98
Penn Unranked</p>

<p>Chemistry</p>

<p>6 Cornell 4.55
25 Penn 3.78</p>

<p>Computer Science</p>

<p>5 Cornell 4.64
24 Penn 3.31</p>

<p>Geosciences</p>

<p>9 Cornell 4.15
75 Penn 2.34 uber ouch</p>

<p>Mathematics</p>

<p>15 Cornell 4.05
22 Penn 3.87</p>

<p>(oceanography: Both Unranked)</p>

<p>Physics</p>

<p>6 Cornell 4.75
17 Penn 4.09</p>

<p>Stat/Biostat</p>

<p>3 Cornell 4.37
25 Penn 3.22</p>

<p>(geography: both unranked)</p>

<p>Political Science</p>

<p>15 Cornell 3.85
42 Penn 2.68</p>

<p>So there are 41 ranking categories, omitting categories where neither school is ranked leaves us with 38 categories. I have just listed each category in which cornell beats penn. Cornell beats penn in 19/38 eligible categories, and therefore penn and cornell TIE.</p>