<p>Penn is only ivy school with increased admit rate. and the yield will decrease.
In fact, Penn admit rate is now about same as Cornell.. (17% vs 20 %)</p>
<p>Wharton is no longer #1 business school ( Harvard is now #1)</p>
<p>What is going on at Penn ?</p>
<p>selectiveity aint every thing. plus people dont wanna go to a "public" school just look at the RD yield rates they are like 40-30%</p>
<p>Although admit rate does provide some information about that academic status of a school it does not mean everything. Penn accepted more students this year because they were unsure about the yield rate. This uncertainty is caused by the fact that Princeton and Harvard did away with Early Decision plans.</p>
<p>You shouldn't worry that because Penn admitted 0.4% more students this year it is "losing momentum."</p>
<p>When you say business school you must be talking about graduate school. Penn is unequivocally the #1 undergrad business school. I'm pretty sure it's the only Ivy that actually has an undergraduate business school. But, it hasn't been the #1 grad business school for awhile - that goes to Harvard. US News & World Report ranks Wharton #3 for grad business school.</p>
<p>Mok, with all due respect, please stop whining about a silly statistic.</p>
<p>Yale's apps were down last year. The Eli's did some crying, some hang ringing and soul searching. Then they realized Y was still one of the very best universities in the world.</p>
<p>A better metric than admit rate is regular decision yield - how in demand is a school from the accepted students. By that metric the rankings are HYStanMITPr and then Penn and Brown. Not to boast, but those are the best metrics in my view.</p>
<p>Overall Penn is quite fine, and it's getting even stronger. </p>
<p>(BTW, if you're that consumed with admit rates, the next few years will just kill you since the pool of HS students is getting smaller and therefore the # of apps will surely start to decrease).</p>
<p>Wharton - #1 with the #2 school some distance behind. And some rankings to place Wharton Grad as #1 though the usual conventional wisdom places W just behind Stanford and Harvard in a holy triumvirate of business schools.</p>
<p>Yeah, this year is different due to Harvard and Princeton's changes in policy. One will have to wait till next to see if Penn is losing any momentum.</p>
<p>As far as Wharton being #1, it depends who's ranking. It's the universal pick on the undergraduate level, and at the grad it is always top 3 with Harvard and Stanford. Which school is one, two, or three can change at any given time.</p>
<p>The idea that the momentum of a university is somehow only tied to undergraduate acceptance rate and some ranking that considers only 1 of the schools is silly.</p>
<p>Is Wharton included with rankings regarding Upenn?</p>
<p>^ If it's a ranking of the University--or its undergraduate programs--as a whole (such as the US News Best Colleges ranking), then of course Wharton is included. Wharton is a component school of Penn.</p>
<p>Wharton is also ranked by itself in rankings that focus only on business schools and programs.</p>
<p>some of this might have to do with the percieved lack of safety at penn, with the murder rates as they are in philly. thus, fewer people apply, resulting in a higher acceptance rate. this isn't really penn's fault, or a reflection of the education there, just a symptom of where they happen to be.</p>
<p>I posted this in another thread, but it seems to fit just as well here:</p>
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No need to be concerned--Penn's admissions numbers have been anything but stagnant over the past several years.</p>
<p>In fact, Penn had the largest percentage increase in applications in the Ivy League last year for the Class of 2011--in the same year that Yale had a signficant DROP in applications. And Penn has had significant increases in applications, drops in acceptance rate, and increases in yield rate for the past several years.</p>
<p>Let's not worry yet that the sky is falling because there was only a modest increase in applications this year (following last year's record-breaking 10% increase), or because there was an insignificant .4% increase in the acceptance rate this year (directly attributable to the unique uncertainty about the yield rate this year because of Harvard and Princeton's dropping of early admissions, and the recent flurry in financial aid program expansions).</p>
<p>If it stays like this for the next few years, THEN it will be time to worry.</p>
<p>Frankly, with Eric Furda already on campus preparing to take over as Admissions Dean on July 1st, I'm pretty optimistic. He did a fantastic job as head of undergraduate admissions at Columbia, and I'm confident he'll do the same for his undergraduate alma mater.</p>
<p>Just think of this as a transition year for Penn admissions, which is what it is.
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<p>Omg...
Then forget that. What a joke.</p>
<p>Oh btw, that's with reference to Wharton being included in the rankings. </p>
<p>Not the above.</p>
<p>The reality is that there are some ivy leagues schools who kept their acceptance rates down by waitlisting a larger percentage of applicants. For example Yale which which has a freshman class size of about 1,000 less freshman than Penn, waitlisted 100 more applicants than Penn did. Most of the other ivies accepted fewer students, but waitlisted more than they have done in previous years. Princeton has a much smaller class size than Yale and Penn, and waitlisted over 1500 applicants.</p>
<p>Penn seems really stingy!! Gave zero grants, only loans that are pathetic. Cornell gave as "grants" 3 times what Penn offered as "loans". CMU did the same. Also, Cornell offered funds for campus visit, and CMU said they will match other FA offers. Even UCs (UCB, UCLA, UCSD) offered more in scholarship than Penn.
Given same FAFSA and CSS was sent to all of them, they sure didn't calculate EFC right or just don't have money to spare.</p>
<p>This is one of the main reasons UPenn fell down my list for consideration. When I saw zero grants, I thought Penn hadn't updated their Penn Pay Plan. When I called FAO, I was amazed they said it is the way I see it online and I should try outside resources like fastweb.com</p>
<p>It really depends on what you're looking for in a business school at the grad level.</p>
<p>My MBA applications are a few years down the road, but I've started asking around. There is little debate that Harvard, Stanford, and Wharton are the HYP of business schools. Among them, Stanford is the unquestioned kind of entrepreneurship (something about a valley nearby? ;)). Wharton is the unquestioned king of finance (though with the current financial crisis that may be a Louis XVI sort of king). and Harvard is Harvard.</p>
<p>Wharton and Harvard are the strong ones for international business (Stanford is focused on its own backyard and with good reason), which is why they're my MBA targets.</p>
<p>I would wait until next year's apps to start worrying if Penn is losing momentum. Then I shall start calling for Amy Gutmann's head ;)</p>