<p>Recently since the Jian Li affair, I have been wondering if it is possible for a URM with a 2300+ SAT score denied admission at an Ivy league school. I mean, obviously it's "possible", but is it realistic (assuming the kid has good ECs, 10-15% class rank, no suspensions, and good recs-aka average) for such a student to be denied admission? If so, does anyone have any examples of such a case when this occured?</p>
<p>Most URM with 2300+ WILL BE DENIED BY THE IVIES</p>
<p>This is simply because the ivies do not have room for everybody, and regardless of what people say they are to some extent elitist</p>
<p>Hmm.... this is interesting, though I thought the admissions rate for every1 w/ 2300+ was about 30ish% at the Ivies. To think that "MOST" URM will be denied with 2300+, I think is probably not taking into account the scarcity of those 2300+ SAT scorers.</p>
<p>I'm guessing the total number of URM's with 2300+ SAT scores is in the tens or low hundreds. Unless you have no EC's or something, you will be accepted to some kind of Ivy.</p>
<p>2300 SAT scores will not make up for bad grades, bad recs, lack luster essays, lackluster ECs or making an a** of yourself in the interview. If the school looks at your file as a whole and they do not think that you will be a good fit you will be denied/waitlisted.</p>
<p>Does anyone know of someone specific rejected with 2300?</p>
<p>Jian Li wasn't a URM...</p>
<p>not everything is about grades</p>
<p>very well said</p>
<p>In terms of diversity, many colleges are recruiting from outside the US and can count students from Nigeria and Latin American countries in their URM numbers. That cuts down spots for US applicants, especially those who have financial need.</p>
<p>Domino: I find your statement hard to believe. Schools that are striving for diversity will specifically target qualified URMs and will also have speficic goals/quotas for international students too.</p>
<p>If they raise the admission rates for internationals and decrease the rate for URMs, then it's a conscious decision -- it's not due to the fact that there are more qualified international students versus the difficulty of finding great URMs. It's a zero sum game.</p>
<p>If a school were so inclined (which I doubt), they could stop all URM recruiting and fill EVERY one of those slots w/international students.</p>
<p>The college would be pretty foolish to say 50 African and Latin students equals 50 African American and US-Latino students -- and reported as URMs. If I'm mistaken, please indicate where this is happening...</p>
<p>"the kid has good ECs, 10-15% class rank, no suspensions, and good recs-aka average" -Introuble111(OP)</p>
<p>I love how CC'ers call this "average."</p>
<p>^^
Sorry if I didn't make it known-I meant average for Ivy league schools- which is true.</p>
<p>Sybbie, (not to be mean or anything) you didn't answer my question, I said "good ECs, 10-15% class rank, no suspensions, and good recs" and to add to that the guy doesnt make an ASS of himself/herself at the interview and has good essays. Do you think, now he/she would be denied at top/ivy league schools?</p>
<p>Introuble,</p>
<p>I am not trying to give you a hard time, but I do think that you are oversimplifying things just a little and making an erroneous assumption that those with the highest grades/ scores will automatically be admitted.</p>
<p>Rank can be a relative thing based on how things are done at your school. If you have a high rank based on GPA alone and you have not taken the most rigerous courses your school offers, your top 10-15% will not mean much as the school will think that you are not challenging yourself. </p>
<p>If your high rank is based on weighted grades, the schools will use your unweighted gpa because there is already an assumption that you are taking the most rigerous courses (and they will not be "rewarding" you for having done so) and some schools weight their classes so much that it does extremely inflate grades.</p>
<p>Good EC's are a relative thing as what you thing are good ECs because you may have a laundry list of them will not impress a college because they are looking for depth, breath, involvement over a sustained period of time, and growth into leaderhship.</p>
<p>Good recs are also a relative things as admissions counselors will tell you first hand that they have read so many that are basically talking loud and saying nothing that in reality there are very few recs that actually make them sit back and take notice.</p>
<p>As the ivies pride themselves on building classes based on their institutional missions, it will be the soft factors that help move your application from the admit to the deny pile, regardless of whether or not you are an URM. IF the school does not see you as a "good fit" for them, my answer still remains the same, you will be denied.</p>
<p>As the URM pool as a whole is becoming more and more competitive; more students scoring better, taking AP courses and applying, keep in mind that grades/sat scores only get you over the first hurdle and may deem you qualified to get to committee, but it does not make you a shoo-in. You must also take into consideration this boomlet of students will have the advantage of having URM parents who are legacies, not counting recruited athletes making these 2 groups bigger hooks than the BWRK URM (my D has many URM friends who are also legacies).</p>
<p>"Recently since the Jian Li affair, I have been wondering if it is possible for a URM with a 2300+ SAT score denied admission at an Ivy league school."</p>
<p>I think better question should be </p>
<p>"URMs with 2100+ SAT score denied at Ivies?"</p>
<p>Most top colleges say that once you score 700 or more in a SAT section, then one should handle the work.</p>
<p>dont know if that's true.
I cant speak for crit reading or writing, but 700 in math doesnt mean you can major in math at MIT</p>
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dont know if that's true.
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<p>I think he means it [700+] usually indicates a certain competence in that subject area.</p>
<p>I'm not for AA but I must say if that 700 score is without prep and if that kid is from a poor background then may be it could be seen as good enough score for MIT math (he has potential to grow).</p>
<p>However, there is an issue with that kid's motivation.
He surely could have afforded a $20 SAT prep book instead of that $100 basketball shoes.</p>
<p>How do you know that an URM doesnt prep and a non URM does?
Prep isnt supposed to help for the SAT (I know that's not true), so the college board should be to blame, not the non URM kids.</p>
<p>It is not a matter of whether URMs prep for SAT or not.
The fact is that there are so few of them scoring above a certain threshold (2100+) that colleges have to fight over them to keep a diverse student body. Some colleges may even go much lower than 2100 while rejecting 2400 ORM (Jian Li).</p>