US NEWS 2013 Ranking Predictions

College Search & Selection
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<p>My predictions:</p>

<p>1) Harvard

  1. Princeton
  2. Yale
  3. Columbia
  4. MIT
  5. Caltech
  6. Stanford
  7. UChicago
  8. UPenn
  9. Duke
  10. Dartmouth
  11. Northwestern
  12. Brown
  13. Johns Hopkins
  14. Cornell
  15. WashU
  16. Rice
  17. Vanderbilt
  18. Notre Dame
  19. Emory
  20. Georgetown
  21. UC Berkeley
  22. USC
  23. CMU
  24. UCLA
  25. Wake Forest</p>
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<p>Top 10:</p>

<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Dartmouth/Northwestern</li>
</ol>

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<p>My Predictions:</p>

<p>1) Harvard

  1. Princeton
  2. Yale
  3. Columbia
  4. Caltech
  5. MIT
  6. Stanford
  7. UChicago
  8. UPenn
  9. Duke
  10. Northwestern
  11. Dartmouth
  12. Brown
  13. Cornell
  14. JHU
  15. WUSTL
  16. Vanderbilt
  17. Rice
  18. Notre Dame
  19. Emory
  20. Georgetown
  21. USC
  22. UC-Berkeley
  23. CMU
  24. University of Virginia
  25. University of Michigan
  26. Wake Forest</p>
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<p>Why do most people think UPenn and UChicago will drop? Just curious what evidence you’re basing this off…</p>

<p>I agree with phuriku’s prediction mostly. I don’t really see much change happening next year, considering there’s not that much room for movement</p>

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<p>^ Because this is more of a guessing game than anything for most people. Most people don’t understand that this is a game of numbers, not a game of US News editors choosing which schools they think are the best.</p>

<p>Basically, the logic for my predictions were: Chicago’s going to go up because it had a huge rise in % of students in top 10% of graduating HS class, which accounts for 6% of the total score, and it also had a huge rise in % of alumni donators, which accounts for 5% of the total score. Northwestern also had a huge rise in SATs and % of students in top 10% of graduating HS class, which means that it will likely surpass Duke into the top 10. No other top 10 schools had such huge statistical shifts, which is why everyone else is going to be in a similar place as last year. </p>

<p>Elsewhere, there will likely be some sort of tiebreaker between the remainder of last year’s tie for 5th. My guess is that Penn, and possibly Caltech, will decline, while MIT and Stanford remain tied for 6th. This is little more than a guess, though.</p>

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<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Wash U</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>USC</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>Wake Forest</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Tufts</li>
<li>Chapel Hill</li>
<li>Boston College</li>
</ol>

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<p>All good speculative “analysis” except Phuriku failed to take into account the substantial score gap between the schools tied at 5th place/Duke at one pointer lower and the trailing schools.</p>

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<p>I think, your prediction of the top 25 (order could be different though) is closest to the brand perception we follow! To be honest, the current generation of applicants are fairly smart to appreciate that two spots up or two spots down, doesn’t make any difference. If I may put my 2 cents in this prediction game, it would be purely from the ‘perceived reputation’ point of view: </p>

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<p>US News, in my opinion, is quite biased against the top end of the public schools and that is not the common perception.</p>

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No one chooses Berkeley, Michigan, or UCLA over Brown, Cornell, or Dartmouth though, at least not in my experience. The publics are probably ranked right where they should be if you look at public perception. Not many people I know consider Vanderbilt or Georgetown to be inferior to UCLA or Michigan, in fact its the other way around.</p>

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<p>My perceptions:</p>

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<p>“No one chooses Berkeley, Michigan, or UCLA over Brown, Cornell, or Dartmouth though, at least not in my experience. The publics are probably ranked right where they should be if you look at public perception. Not many people I know consider Vanderbilt or Georgetown to be inferior to UCLA or Michigan, in fact its the other way around.”</p>

<p>—I personally know people who chose Berkeley over Brown, UCLA over Dartmouth, and Michigan over Vandy. None of the people applied for fin aid. All of them wanted to do engineering. …Okay…I have no point here. Just replying to your “no one chooses…” part of your sentence.</p>

<p>As to OP, don’t really care much.</p>

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<p>I take it you don’t know Mayim Bialik</p>

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<p>Although i suppose she chose UCLA over Harvard and Yale, and not “Brown, Cornell, or Dartmouth” so i guess you’re still right :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>You should get to know more people.</p>

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<p>“No one chooses Berkeley, Michigan, or UCLA over Brown, Cornell, or Dartmouth though, at least not in my experience.”</p>

<p>You’ve already been called out on this one goldenboy on the Michigan board. Remember the student who just chose Michigan over Princeton? I am sure he/she was or would have been accepted to Brown, Cornell, or Dartmouth too. You also know that Alexandre, a super moderator here at CC also chose Michigan over those other schools. Stop with the lying and superlative statements already. You look ridiculous.</p>

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<p>I predict that every school will be on a Top 10 list somewhere. Then, after admissions season is over, all the schools will shake hands, get certificates and ribbons and then we’ll all go to Dairy Queen and have ice cream!!!</p>

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<p>Hopefully I get into a low-ranked 3rd tier crappy school and then it boosts up into the top 15.</p>

<p>Wishful thinking doesn’t hurt…</p>

<p>*Slowly walks out thread.</p>

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It happens once in a while but its extremely rare. Emory is the only schools of the top 20 privates where high school seniors seem to routinely pick UCLA or Michigan over instead. Have you ever seen a thread on CC where a student is deliberating between Columbia and Michigan or UCLA and Duke when the costs are equal? You haven’t because such a situation almost never happens.</p>

<p>Alexandre is the only out of stater I’ve heard of in the world to turn down 5-6 better privates for a top 5 public school.</p>

<p>At any rate, I would say reputation wise it goes like this…</p>

<p>H/Y/P/S/M
Caltech, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, UChicago, Brown, and Penn
Rice, Berkeley, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Northwestern, Hopkins, and Wash U
CMU, USC, Emory, Tufts, Boston College, UCLA, UNC, Michigan, UVA, and Wake Forest</p>

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<p>Do you even have any (reputable) source for cross-admit battles or are you just basing this on anecdotes?</p>

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<p>There are plenty of reasons to pick UCLA over Duke. The environment, for example is just one of them (LA > Durham)</p>

<p>Caltech’s an interesting case though. It’s borderline between tier 1 and 2. it’s really like in tier 1.5. since it matches HYPSM it quality, but lacks the reputation. It’s ranked #5 on USnews (tied with Stanford and MIT) and ranked #1 on times in terms of research for example. And in the past US news has ranked it above Harvard.</p>

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<p>Beyphy, thought I’d chime in here. To date, this is the only <em>real</em> hard source of cross-admit numbers for a variety of schools I’ve come across (page 10):</p>

<p><a href=“http://barnard.edu/sites/default/files/inline/2011databook_0.pdf[/url]”>http://barnard.edu/sites/default/files/inline/2011databook_0.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>That shows how grossly outdated the revealed preference rankings (constantly cited) are. If we were to order the data based on most to least desirable, based on 2010 Barnard applicant selection, the list would look like this (for all non-LACs only):</p>

<p>1) Columbia University
2) Cornell / Georgetown
3) Penn
4) JHU
5) Northwestern
6) Cal
7) Tufts
8) UCLA
<em>steep drop off</em>
9) GWU, NYU
10) Michigan
11) Brandeis
12) BU </p>

<p>The only state school to do well is Cal (with UCLA coming in second). Mich does not do well at all (winning just 9% of cross-admits, I think we can extrapolate how they would do against the other elite private schools). While this is not a rigorous approach (given an obvious lack of data), the data does in general agree with the eye ball test on my end (such as more people would choose Cal (wins 45% of Barnard cross-admits over UCLA (wins 35% of Barnard cross-admits over UCSD (wins 0% of Barnard cross-admits). It’s definitely way more updated than the revealed preference rankings. This is further supported by less people choosing Barnard over BC as compared to a less prestigious BU.</p>

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:rolleyes:</p>

<p>Caltech has the reputation. It’s just a much smaller school and more limited in offerings.</p>

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<p>“Alexandre is the only out of stater I’ve heard of in the world to turn down 5-6 better privates for a top 5 public school.”</p>

<p>So what? Am I supposed to be impressed that you obviously don’t know many people? In the whole wide world eh? Another ridiculous and simplistic statement.</p>