US News Prediction, winner takes bragging rights

College Search & Selection
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<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>CalTech</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Wash U</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>USC</li>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>Wake</li>
</ol>

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<p>Chicago and Cornell will be lower and Brown will be higher. Predicted graduation rate now counts 7.5% (instead of 5%) and those schools have lower predicted graduation rates than Brown. Plus the Peer Assessment will count less, and Brown will benefit from that as well compared to the schools usually ranked above it.</p>

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<p>Where did you hear about those changes?</p>

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<p>^
[Methodology</a> Changes for Best Colleges Rankings - Morse Code: Inside the College Rankings (usnews.com)](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2010/08/16/methodology-changes-for-best-colleges-rankings.html]Methodology”>http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2010/08/16/methodology-changes-for-best-colleges-rankings.html)</p>

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<p>So yield will NOT be factored into this year’s rankings? That’s good news. rastafarian has a good list.</p>

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<p>Cornell has always done well on hs counselor rankings, but so has Brown. Brown will move up, and Cornell will probably move down.</p>

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<p>Also, schools like Chicago have comparably low counselor rankings. Will be interesting to see how this affects things.</p>

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<p>^^ Exactly. Last year, Brown, Cornell, Columbia and Stanford were tied at #5 in the Counselors ranking. But Cal Tech, Duke and Dartmouth were at # 9. Chicago was #17. It will be interesting to see if there is any shifting.</p>

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<p>Actually, Chicago should do pretty well on counselor rankings this year. Last year’s ranking was before Chicago got really prestigious via its PR campaign. Its PR campaign not only increased its mailings. A major component of it was getting in contact with counselors directly to spread the word about the university. Chicago’s counselor rating should be at least 4.7, and may be 4.8, up from 4.6 last year.</p>

<p>Look for Caltech to fall significantly. It’ll probably be pushed back to 7. Chicago will probably be pushed back to 9-10.</p>

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<p>Devaluing PA should help ND a lot. I think last year our PA was around 50th. Grad rate should help as well. Perhaps we get up to 15?</p>

<p>The counselor thing is odd. how did they select? A California bias will help Cali schools, NE bias will help ivies/UVA/Georgetown, etc. I’d just be in favor of eliminating PA altogether, as it’s really a measure of grad school strength, and which universities were good back when university presidents were applying to school.</p>

<p>Even better would be eliminating USNWR all together, it just engenders intercollegiate dick measuring contests.</p>

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<p>Also, Chicago’s PA wasn’t super great to begin with, so having a sub-ber-par guidance counselor ranking (GCA?) isn’t going to have that great of an effect. If Chicago is to lose spots, it’s because other schools with low PA’s get higher GCA’s.</p>

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<p>"Devaluing PA should help ND a lot. I think last year our PA was around 50th. Grad rate should help as well. Perhaps we get up to 15?'</p>

<p>Of course, lower perceived academic quality percentages and schools like ND will rise in rankings.</p>

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<p>Adding the Guidance Counselor ratings and increasing the Predicted Graduation Rate should negatively impact WashU, Chicago, Caltech, UMich and Berkeley. It will tremendously help Brown, Cornell, Georgetown and Dartmouh as well as boost Columbia.</p>

<p>I think there will be a somewhat significant shakeup in the rankings this year. Here’s my guess:</p>

<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Wash U</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>JHU</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>CMU</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>UCB</li>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>USC</li>
<li>WFU</li>
</ol>

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<p>i dont follow this as much as everyone else, but why is uc berkeley so low?</p>

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<p>^^ It’s large and public.</p>

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<p>i think it should be above emory
im not an expert, is that absurd?
im bay area so i may be biased, but i think thats where it should be</p>

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<p>1 Harvard
1 Princeton
3 Yale
3 Stanford
5 MIT
5 Caltech
7 Columbia
7 Duke
7 Penn
10 Chicago
10 Dartmouth
10 WashingtonU
13 Brown
14 Cornell
14 JHU
14 Northwestern
17 Rice
17 Vanderbilt
19 Emory
19 Notre Dame
21 Berkeley
21 UVA
23 CMU
23 Georgetown
25. UCLA
25. USC
25. WFU</p>

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<p>These are the actual rankings. Just came out.</p>

<p>1) Harvard University
2) Princeton University
3) Yale University
4) Columbia
5) Stanford
5) UPenn
7) MIT
7) Caltech
9) Duke
10) Northwestern
11) Dartmouth
12) UChicago
13) Brown
13) WashU St Louis
13) Johns Hopkins
16) Cornell
17) Notre Dame
18) Emory
19) Rice
19) Vanderbilt
21) Berkeley
22) Georgetown
23) Carnegie Mellon
24) Virginia
25) UCLA
25) USC
25) Wake Forest</p>

<p>I was right about Cornell, Chicago, Cal Tech and Brown…woooo!</p>

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<p>where did they come out</p>

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<p>

Depends on what you mean by “super great”. Chicago’s PA last year was 4.6, tied with Columbia and Cal Tech. Only HYPSM and Berkeley were a little higher. </p>

<p>

Maybe so. Chicago’s 2008 Guidance Counsellor score was exactly the same as its PA score, 4.6. However, the GCs gave 4.8s and 4.7s to 12 schools, while the Peers gave those scores to only 2 the following year. If 2008 was any indication, there seems to be some grade inflation in the GC scores relative to the PA scores, but for some reason they don’t give Chicago the same boost.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/797962-college-comparison-xxii-usnwr-peer-assessment-ratings.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/797962-college-comparison-xxii-usnwr-peer-assessment-ratings.html&lt;/a&gt;
[Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News and World Report GC ratings](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-counselor-rank]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-counselor-rank)</p>