<p>When someone does have a legit copy of the rankings could you please list the entire top 50? Some of us simpletons would like to see where our alma maters that aren’t in the top 25, yet still in the top 50, rank. TIA</p>
<p>UM > UVA…I’m waiting for USNWR to realize this. They definitely had it wrong with UCLA ahead of UM last year. That’s just crazy lol.</p>
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What you are forgetting though is that this is Undergraduate rankings. Michigan is a fine institution, but its strengths are in its graduates programs which eat up much of its endowment and much of the strong faculty. I mean Michigan has over a 50% acceptance rate. It is a great school, but for undergraduate it isn’t better than UVA. UVA is the class of public schools in terms of undergrad.</p>
<p>^^^^Nonsense. The vast majority of Michigan’s academic departments at the undergraduate level are ranked higher than UVA. In the sciences and engineering U-M is at a higher level altogether. Michigan offers way more selection than UVA. This includes entire colleges devoted to music, fine arts, and kinesiology for example. Many of these students excel in areas that do not require the highest gpas, ACT, and SAT scores. Berkeley is the class of public schools in terms of undergrad. By the way, Michigan’s acceptance rate is not over 50%.</p>
<p>you forget that sciences/engineering does not equal a whole university, UVA’s architecture, humanities programs are really good</p>
<p>I am not denying that Michigan is a great school. UVA is simply more undergraduate orientated than Berkley and Michigan. Agree to disagree. Also, you were right, I misread the acceptance rate of Michigan.</p>
<p>Edit: Also you two go to Michigan so this is a pointless argument.</p>
<p>Here’s a shocker for you pierre0913. Michigan’s humanities and architecture programs are really good too. In fact, Michigan is not considered weak in any of it’s offerings.</p>
<p>haha alright i won’t fight with you on that too, maybe you should tell US News to get rid of its “selectivity” category and then UMichigan will skyrocket</p>
<p>Yes, but at the graduate level! My school is great for UG and doesn’t offer many graduate programs other than Business, Medicine, and Law. Michigan is a top 10 institution all things considered, but just not for undergraduate. </p>
<p>Alls I am trying to say is that strengths on the graduate level (which Michigan undoubtedly has) do not correlate to undergraduate strength.</p>
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U.S. News & World Report<br>
America's Best Colleges<br>
Best National Universities </p>
<p>Institution 1987 1990 1991 1992 1993 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008</p>
<p>Harvard 2 1 1 1 1 1 3 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 2 2 1
Princeton 4 4 4 2 2 2 2 1 1 4 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2
Yale 3 3 2 3 3 2 1 3 1 4 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3
Stanford 1 2 3 4 6 4 6 5 4 6 6 5 4 5 5 5 4 4 4
MIT 11 6 6 5 4 5 5 6 4 3 5 5 4 4 5 7 4 7 4
Caltech 21 5 5 5 5 7 9 9 9 1 4 4 4 5 8 7 4 5 6
Pennsylvania 19 13 13 14 16 11 13 7 6 7 6 5 4 5 4 4 7 5 6
Duke 7 7 7 7 7 6 4 3 6 7 8 8 4 5 5 5 8 8 8
Columbia 18 10 9 10 11 15 11 9 10 10 10 9 10 11 9 9 9 9 8
Chicago 8 11 10 9 9 11 12 14 14 13 10 9 12 13 14 15 9 9 8
Dartmouth 6 8 8 7 8 7 7 7 10 11 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 11 11
Washington (STL) 23 24 18 20 18 20 17 17 16 17 15 14 12 9 11 11 12 12 12
Northwestern 17 23 14 13 13 13 9 9 10 14 13 12 10 11 11 12 14 14 12
Cornell 11 9 12 11 10 13 14 14 6 11 10 14 14 14 14 13 12 12 14
Johns Hopkins 16 15 11 15 15 10 15 14 14 7 15 16 15 14 14 13 16 14 15
Brown 10 12 17 18 12 9 8 9 10 14 15 16 17 17 14 15 15 14 16
Rice 14 16 15 12 14 16 16 17 18 14 13 12 15 16 17 17 17 17 17
Emory 25 26-51 26-51 21 25 17 19 9 16 18 18 18 18 18 20 20 18 17 18
Vanderbilt 26-51 26-51 19 25 20 22 20 19 20 20 22 21 21 19 18 18 18 19 18
Notre Dame 26-51 26-51 26-51 >26 25 18 17 19 18 19 19 19 18 19 18 18 20 19 18
California- Berkeley 5 13 16 16 19 26 27 23 22 20 20 20 20 21 21 20 21 21 21
Carnegie Mellon 26-51 22 24 19 24 23 28 23 25 23 23 23 21 23 22 22 21 22 22
Georgetown 26-51 19 19 17 17 21 23 21 20 23 23 23 24 23 25 23 23 23 23
Virginia 15 18 21 22 21 19 21 21 22 22 20 21 23 21 22 23 24 23 23
California- Los Angeles NR 17 23 23 22 28 31 28 25 25 25 26 25 26 25 25 26 25 25
Michigan-Ann Arbor 8 21 22 24 23 24 24 23 25 25 25 25 25 25 22 25 24 25 26</p>
<p>"NOTE: The year refers to the publication date, not the edition."<br>
SOURCE: U.S. News<br>
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<p>Not sure what that’s supposed to mean Sam Lee other than the current top 25 schools for 2009 are listed?</p>
<p>Why did Georgetown fall off a cliff in 1995? Did they change the methodology that year?</p>
<p>^just fyi. i figure many people don’t have that info and may find it interesting.</p>
<p>Also, Brown seems to have been “run out of town” since 1996.</p>
<p>Sam Lee, where is Michigan in your list?</p>
<p>Look at Berkeley, top 5 and now not even top 20. Michigan was top 10 too, now not even top 25. They haven’t changed much, still excellent schools, but the methodology has. It’s not Sam’s fault Michigan isn’t on the list. It wasn’t a so called top 25 school in 2009, so it wasn’t placed on it.</p>
<p>which goes to show that US News rankings are not completely accurate, the rankings can shift based on how the methodology works and how much you “weigh” each category.</p>
<p>And what is going on with Penn. Did Ben Franklin become the publisher of US NEWS in 1996 or something? They have really moved.</p>
<p>“Alls I am trying to say is that strengths on the graduate level (which Michigan undoubtedly has) do not correlate to undergraduate strength.”</p>
<p>Well not at USNWR or Forbes at least.</p>
<p>tenisghs,
just added it.</p>