<p>THE NAVAL ACADEMY...A CRUCIBLE FOR WARRIORS
by Vice Admiral Jeffrey Fowler, Superintendent</p>
<p>Holy Cow.....they aren't going to teach the Middies to shoot too are they???</p>
<p>Seriously, a good read. I think Adm. Fowler is tracking "right on"!</p>
<p>VAdmiral Fowler's manifesto is a must-read for parents and prospective candidates.</p>
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<p>And Idris Leppla and her Mom. ;)</p>
<p>Forget Idris. One precursor to learning is an open mind. As that renowned philosopher James Croce once noted, "you don't spit into the wind..."</p>
<p>And as Sir Winston suggested, "look her up in 20 years or so ..." She's way too smart at the moment.</p>
<p>"you don't spit into the wind..."
Actually WP, you can if you''ve been around the Horn -:)</p>
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"you don't spit into the wind..."
Actually WP, you can if you''ve been around the Horn -
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<p>Maybe so, but you'd be a fool to tug on superman's cape</p>
<p>or pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger............</p>
<p>and you DON't mess around with Jim!!!</p>
<p>^^^ unless, of course, you've got on these boots were made for walking!!! ;)</p>
<p>2010 ... you blew it. wrong song. </p>
<p>Know this is tough but your line is duh duh duh, etc. :cool:</p>
<p>"And you better believe they sung a different kind of story
When big Jim hit the floor."</p>
<p>"And you don't mess around with Slim"</p>
<p>The Supe needs to get some new material. This is the same speech that I have seen him deliver on no less than 3 occasions.</p>
<p>He seems to be following the current administration's lessons: Keep telling 'em the same thing over and over again until they believe it.</p>
<p>I wonder what PR flack wrote this?</p>
<p>Hey Shogun, we're not "Middies" . . . if you're going to comment about conditions at the Academy, please, at least, don't be derogatory. At least we don't try to comment on whether conditions are good or bad at the USMA.
Speaking of which, since the are on the ground, how come they aren't suffering for the "nation at war" cause like us? Sounds like West Point needs new leadership.
I have a nomination, he has experience leading a military academy, in case you need one.</p>
<p>"Speaking of which, since the(Y) are on the ground, how come they aren't suffering for the "nation at war" cause like us?"</p>
<p>Thats because much of the stuff being newly implemented at Navy has been the practice at West Point already. Don't worry, you'll get used to it. Welcome to "a nation at war" :)</p>
<p>These are the ones who have truly "suffered" for the "nation at war" cause:</p>
<p>Anything the academies can do to reduce the number is A-OKAY with me.</p>
<p>^^^shogun,
At this point it's really up to the American voters to choose leaders to guide us out of the stinking mess. Put democracy in action and VOTE!</p>
<p>The point is there is NO EVIDENCE that post 9/11 USNA graduates were, in any way, deficient in performing their assigned duties.</p>
<p>There is NO EVIDENCE that the Academy climate, pre-Fowler, in any way has contributed to increased casualties for any service personnel assigned to the theater.</p>
<p>In short, there is NO EVIDENCE that the way and extent of the changes implemented will do anything to improve performance. Other practices were being implemented to control sexual harrasment and drinking. Most mids I know have no problme with increased scrutiny of honor violations.</p>
<p>USNA09mom has it, more or less, correct: The Academies are not responsible--and I would think in particular the Naval Academy--for the continuing deaths in Iraq/Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Finally, what works, or is necessary, for West Point does not make it necessary for USNA. Assuming--and I am assuming for a moment--that ECAs are marginalized, liberty minimized, travel to football games restricted, and mandatory study hours are applicable to all classes (all of which I don't think are in practice at USMA but assuming that you have stated correctly that "much of the stuff" has already been in place at USMA) at USMA, then there is NO EVIDENCE that such practices were needed at USNA. </p>
<p>In case you are not aware--I hope you are but just in case you are not--the Navy's mission is completely different than the Army's. I don't want to resurrect the whole argument about the necessity for change--especially considering that I won't participate in such discussions and may not be able to come back to this site for another few weeks--but it just strikes me wrong that a MILITARY ACADEMY parent is supporting changes at the NAVAL ACADEMY. Changes about which he has very limited knowledge and regarding circumstances about which he has little experience. As the Supt. himself put it: The Academy is not in crisis. Thus, if the Supt. thought everything was working well, why does some non-USNA parent come over here and suggest that change was needed. Sorry, I think its a bit out of line. (Not that many such people on these threads cross the line regularly anyway.)</p>
<p>"Nation at War" is complete BS. I wish we were a NATION at war. What sacrifices, other than those directly or indirectly (e.g. family) involved, has the NATION been asked to make to support this war? Heck, we're not even asking the Nation to pay for the war on a current basis.</p>
<p>One more thing. Could you spare us the continued listing you make at various times of those who have died in Iraq. Do you think we don't consider these senseless deaths on a regular basis without needing reminders from you?
Those of us who read these thread--BUT NOT ENOUGH OF THE REST OF THE NATION--are very aware of the dead and dying in Iraq.
Put your intermittent posts about how brave the Army has been on other websites perhaps some of the other college boards here on CC. THEN, maybe, we will become a nation at war.</p>
<p>^^^"The Academy is not in crisis." jamtex</p>
<p>Well put. In fact, the academy was/is thriving by most standards (excluding food service and parking...): academically, town/gown relations, sports, selectivity, graduation rates, etc. We all know the Brigade of Midshipmen is the "Cream of the crop." Go Navy! Beat Army!</p>