<p>trying to decide between these two schools...</p>
<p>Im OOS for UVa, but i love Va and the weather and the UVa campus. Im considering being a history or humanities major so seems like UVa is good for that. The profs seem awesome, really caring, nice, and passionate. Concerns are - seems like students may be rather preppy - less diverse. I want a school with lots of diversity, not just ethnic/racial but personality and background. At the same time, I visited for one day and maybe I didnt meet the right people. im sure at a school of UVa's size, there will be plenty of people like me (whimsical, against pop culture, indie music, artsy, slightly nerdy ) Another concern, dunno how the bio or premed prog is at UVa which is another one of my options...</p>
<p>For NU, again, I love the campus (lake is gorgeous). Love that it is close to Chicago bc i think im in love with chicago. haha. I might do bio major and premed and I heard NU is great for bio and prepares you for the MCATs really well! Though I met lots of really sweet nice people, others I talked to (and ppl on the student panel) did not seem enthused about attending NU at all...seemed kinda boring and drab. Also heard that student body is more of the studying type/competitive - which is a downer. Another downer is it seems like art dept is small and not very popular (correct me if I'm wrong)... yeah i wanted to double major in art and something else, but that will prob not be a possibility at NU</p>
<p>Financially, itll cost about 15 thousand less for me to go to UVa per year..which i guess if quite a big diff...I'm also an East Coaster so UVa will be less traveling for me.</p>
<p>I'm also probably going to grad school, so I mean, name of my undergrad wont matter as much....not that I think names matter, but employers kinda care..</p>
<p>UVA has tons of people… They’re all definetly not preppy but yes, alot of them are. I think you need to realize unlike other colleges UVA has an increadible community. You can hang out with kids who are preppy, nerdy, emo what ever is your pick. Every one is nice to everyone. There is no such thing on the campus as “hazing” or absurd stuff like that which happens on other college campus’s such as NW. The students govern themselves at UVA and pick their own fate… Pick UVA for sure…</p>
<p>UVAorBust, thanks for your response! yes, I did get a sense of community from the UVa campus that wasnt there at NU! Are you going to UVa, or already at Uva?</p>
<p>If you were talking about the world-renowned University of Chicago…perhaps…for Northwestern though? The school that’s viewed as the “other” good school in Illinois. Buy yourself a Mercedes, travel to Europe after graduation and come to UVA.</p>
<p>^ If you had any thought of taking wahoomb seriously, first check out his other posts. I’m sure he doesn’t work for Virginia but he sure seems to be on a mission to increase their yield. Is there an issue here? Based on his other posts it is pretty clear that if you were considering Chicago over Virginia, he would claim that Northwestern is world-renowned and Chicago is the “other” good school in Illinois. If you are looking for an unbiased opinion, beware of the internet.</p>
<p>In humanities and history, both schools have very strong departments: I think that UVA English and history grad programs are rated slightly higher by the NRC (which matters for undergrads because it includes factors such as perceived faculty quality, libraries, etc), and that Northwestern undergrad is rated slightly higher in USN&WR rankings. But the differences in ranking are so small that I don’t think they really matter. Knowing lots of faculty in both places, I think it’s going to be a wash academically. I think it’s also likely to be a wash in terms of setting/social factors. Therefore if I were you I’d go for the cheaper option. You’ll get a great education in either school.</p>
<p>UVA has tons of people… They’re all definetly not preppy but yes, alot of them are. I think you need to realize unlike other colleges UVA has an increadible community. You can hang out with kids who are preppy, nerdy, emo what ever is your pick. Every one is nice to everyone. There is no such thing on the campus as “hazing” or absurd stuff like that which happens on other college campus’s such as NW. The students govern themselves at UVA and pick their own fate… Pick UVA for sure…</p>
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<p>I don’t usually post here, but this post just totally infuriates me to no end. You haven’t even been here yet, how do you know that “everyone is nice to everyone?” (<strong><em>?) How can you even utter that? Stop spouting dumbass things. (You Know that everyone is nice to everyone right? Go to Cavalier Daily online, search for April 22 paper, read the top story about a certain “racial” incident and you will soon learn that NO, in a school of 20K + people, your little perfect world of “everyone is nice to everyone” is </em></strong>***. There is a minority of people here who are quite vicious.)</p>
<p>There’s no such thing on the campus as the “hazing” stuff? Really? How do you know? I went to summer orientation not too long ago, and during a Question and Answer session with the older students, one fraternity member admitted that they do haze. Of course, he also justified it with the usual “everyone does it also.” (I don’t blame him or the hazing practices, it doesn’t concern me or have anything to do with me. I don’t care the least, anyone who was hurt by hazing knew they were getting it). But I just said this example in response to your idiotic statements.</p>
<p>I actually like this school. But unlike some other people, I can see its flaws and hope that it becomes better, because no school is perfect - nothing is ever perfect. I hate the fact that in every one of these chance threads, people here have to put down the other school no matter what the heck it is saying crap like “hazing happens there,” “you’ll get more opportunity here.” If someone ask me a question about UVA or XXX, I would name UVA’s positives and NEGATIVES (in my experiences), not bash the other school saying crap bs that is not true. Show a bit of class guys. There’s no need for the bashing and the constant “UVA IS GOD.” No- it’s not - not even Harvard is.</p>
<p>Wow Eurofootball take a chill pill. Just because I love UVA you don’t need to rain on my parade. And yes I KNOW ALOT!! about UVA. I know 20+ people who have gone there and have been the the UVA/Yale club (if you even know what that is). There is not need to be so negative. So what if I find that everyone from UVA is nice. That is what UVA is known for… the immense community.</p>
<p>Ohh and BTW Fishymom I’m a he :). Thanks for protecting me…</p>
<p>After reading that post again just to see how rude it was here is a bit of advice I think you should take. UVA isn’t right for you. If you can’t recognize what makes UVA what it is then the school dosen’t need people like you. I sure wouldn’t want to be at college with someone who makes immediate assumptions and starts cursing at another because of what they believe… Think before you speak…</p>
<p>Consider editing that last post! It sounds petty and vindictive at best. The OP was simply looking for relevant, substantial opinions and that request deserves to be respected.</p>
<p>How was it rude? That I called out your lies? Well, ok. But I am not disturbed by you, but more by the people who did nothing to correct your claims, but they even endorse it or gloss over it. Typical attitudes. If you want to call me out on my post, fine, do you have any evidence that what I said not true? You know 20 people who are nice? What does that have to do with anything? </p>
<p>Personally, I have been lucky enough at my time here, never to have met a mean or snobby person. All of my professors are kind to me, all of them. But I don’t go around saying “Everyone is nice” or “All professors are kind!” because it is impossible for 100% of people to be nice.</p>
<p>I’m sorry that your statement was so outrageous that it just sent me over the edge.</p>
<p>I will take your advice and tell of the positives about UVA:</p>
<p>is DA BEST in the world!!!
no hazing eva!
No meanies
Everyone is Einstein!!!
No one is racist
No one is snobby
Everyone cares for each other
No cheaters
Best school in da world.
Best in football
Best in basketball
no self-segregation at all! You will never see a dining table of all whites, all black, or all Asian, ever!!! Yay!!
EVERY single class is intellectually stimulating.
Everyone of all races hold hands and sing a happy song on the lawn at 6 pm, celebrating diversity and openness of this great school.
So much diversity here.
No rapes
No people breaking laws here
No dumb people
Everyone is full of integrity
Da best in da world!!!
An undisputed leader in technology (SIS is BEST! We only paid 40+ million for it!!)
Everyone is beautiful, everyone!
All administrators care about YOU! Yes, you.
Everyone is da smartest in da world.</p>
<p>^^^EuroFootball, you do understand that you are responding to a junior in high school, right. I tried to alert you to that fact in my previous post. Fortunately, I have spent enough time on campus to know that most at UVA are indeed nice. All of the people I encountered on my numerous visits were friendly and helpful. Does that mean that everyone at UVA is nice? Of course not, but it does lead to a pleasant and friendly atmosphere at the school. Unfortunately, there are some who will be making decisions about whether to attend UVA without the advantage of having visited and experiencing this for themselves. I hope they don’t the wrong idea about Virginia from this thread. We all know that UVA is not perfect, nor is any other school. But for many, UVA is their dream school and as close to perfect as they have seen. Sometimes youthful enthusiasm leads to exaggeration. But I certainly don’t thing that post was worthy of your “infuriated” response(s).</p>
<p>Hahaha, personally I find Eurofootball’s last post very funny. I love his sarcastic tone. </p>
<p>Racism in UVa has been debated quite a few times here in CC. A lot of UVa people admit that racism is ‘prevalent.’ I think the existence of racism is a limitation of UVa as a public school - Virginia has to admit at least 70% of instate students, and some of them are ‘rich-white-preppy-ignorant.’</p>
<p>Let’s make a point clear right now. In UVa, NOBODY will openly discriminate a minority group and promote racism. UVa hopes to create as diverse student body (in terms of race) as possible. </p>
<p>However there is no way UVa can argue that UVa is VERY tolerant towards other races or cultures (certainly not to extent its peers -Berkeley, UCLA or Michigan - tolerate). Racism in UVa is greater than its peer public schools, and I’m very certain that this concern towards discrimination made some of minority students decline an offer to UVa.</p>
<p>When international/minority students consider colleges among Michigan, UCLA and Berkeley (3 of the top 4 public universities) they think about the universities’ prestige, academic environment, student faculty ratio etc etc. When UVa competes with these, racism & discrimination becomes a factor of consideration along with other factors listed above. This was also a case for me, as I’m asian-american. </p>
<p>So my point is, UVa still has a tag of being a school with discrimination. Yes, in part because Charlottesville itself is, to some extent, filled with stereotypes.</p>
<p>I find it hilarious when a Caucasian student feels compelled to opine about racism in higher education, let alone a school that he doesn’t even go to (ahem Jaimecago). Let me be clear, as a gay Latino, I never once felt stereotyped, mocked or racially discriminated and neither did any of my minority friends. Yes, there have been a couple of racial incidents, but they are few and far between. I don’t what the hell the above poster is talking about, I was in the MRC, and UVA tries everything to make minority groups feel welcomed. Cville is an extremely diverse city, go volunteer at the International Rescue Committee, migrant aid or upward bound, there’s more to UVA than Foxfields. Of course Jaimecago would know this if he actually went to UVA.</p>
<p>Well wahoomb, I’m actually asian. And no, I don’t attend UVa yet but I have close contact with UVa’s international community. What I said was totally based on the past discussion on UVa’s racism. Also, what I was talking about was discrimination based on races, not sexualities. Plus, just because you didn’t get mocked doesn’t mean there’s no discrimination. I’ve never been robbed yet, so clearly there must be no robbery in the city I live, huh?</p>
<p>Also, I clearly mentioned that in UVa, there’s no open discrimination. I have never said there are a lot of racist incidents either. I have never said UVa doesn’t try to make minority groups feel welcomed. That’s why I said UVa tries to make a diverse student body.</p>
<p>One last comment: C-Ville is NOT a diverse town. 70% of its population is single raced. (White). What you call a diverse city will be something like Los Angeles, where there’s no more than 50% of a single race represented.</p>
<p>And it seems like you clearly did not learn how to speak with manners.</p>
<p>FWIW, I think you’re both right. No way is racism remotely endemic at UVA–the place is far too intelligent and enlightened for that. But, the place is definitely tradition-bound (usually in very appealing ways) and unfortunately some of those traditions, historically, were exclusive. It’s never going to be a Berkeley or UCLA in this regard and I think that’s fine. I never considered myself much of a prep type, and found them generally amusing. They’re just a contingent, they don’t rule the place.</p>
<p>Why do people insist that Berkeley is so ~diverse~? Isn’t it about half Asian? And the percentage of African-American students like 3%? And Jaimecago, you clearly talk about things that you have never experienced yourself first-hand. I have a friend whose cousin has a friend whose girlfriend’s best friend’s prom date’s ex-girlfriend goes to Harvard and says that it’s so ~elitist~, therefore I will spout this information on CC…that is your ~contact with the international community at UVA~. Currently rolling my eyes.</p>