<p>Wouldn't trolls like this normally be deleted/warned as with other message boards?</p>
<p>It's amazing how he can just bark out that if something is ranked marginally better, then it immediately has infinitely better quality.</p>
<p>You like to point out stupid little departmental rankings which don't really substantiate much of your argument. As has been droned to death by mostly everyone on every board, rankings don't mean anything. As I pointed out in my original post I never said UVA was better than UNC, I said they were comparable academically and then I pointed out other differences that I noticed. You went on to attack UVA as if it were some run down crappy school in east bumble****, which is rude and completely ludicrous.</p>
<p>(I can't believe I even have to find and pull out the book)
If you want to go by rankings, then how come UVA has always 100% of the time since the creation of the US NEWS rankings ranked higher than UNC? I guess then by your logic, UNC is better in everything except "overall." Regardless, you claim that UNC's business school is better than UVA's even though they're both ranked 7. Also, UVA's engineering is ranked higher (UNC isn't even ranked.) and most people would argue engineering is UVAs weakest department. (and if you think 31 out of like 1000 is bad, then you're a moron as well) Also, UVa is ranked higher in engineering in grad school. (again UNC doesn't even make top 50)</p>
<p>As for the rest of the grad school rankings, UNC law isn't even in the top 20, its barely in the top 30 (as it is tied with about 5 schools for 27). Also, I never implied that M.D. was a harder degree or greater than a J.D. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm just saying that there are no crappy doctors/crappily trained doctors. Yes, there are doctors who mess things up, but they all know how to do the basic things. AS OPPOSED TO ATTORNEYS who can suck (believe me, I've listened to my parents complain enough about how so and so adversary is a moron/can't even put a brief together properly). </p>
<p>As for medical schools, UNC is ranked all of 1 spot ahead of UVA in research rankings. (so much for UNC being that god given research school you claim it to be) </p>
<p>You claim UNC's graduate business school is equal to UVA's. UVA is ranked higher.</p>
<p>And for other parts of my post. I never said UNC was a crappy party school. I just said if it was like Duke, which is all of 30 minutes away, then it probably was miserable. But then again, as someone who has partied at schools like Georgia and Tulane. I can say without a doubt that UNC isn't as hardcore as those places. Believe me, if people at UNC partied that much then the students can't be the brightest of kids, as I believe them to be. They'd never get any work done. (I barely get any work done and I attend a <em>crappy party school with no night life worth mentioning</em>)</p>
<p>ALSO I CAN'T BELIEVE you would even claim that the girls at UVA are stupid. Thats ridiculous. If you want to be a jackass and claim that, then howcome all of UVA's admissions statistics are higher than UNC's. (sats, gpas, and top 10%) Get real. I guess than everyone at UVA is smarter? pfft please. You completely discredit yourself with that one statement. </p>
<p>Go back to the UNC board and be with people on your own (lower) level. You've made me lose a great deal of respect for that school.</p>
<p>welly well now i do believe somebody got pwned.</p>
<p>you all are ridiculous. OMG ONE IS LIKE, 6 SPOTS HIGHER ON THE US NEWS. ULTIMATE PRESTIGE AND REAL POWER!</p>
<p>Look, they are both highly ranked schools. Similiar GPAs to graduate schools from UVA and UNC will be given equal view. There is no argument. You simply are all spouting off anecdotal (and sometimes false info. UNC law is not in the top 20, I think it is 27) evidence to support claims. Yes, they both have qualities and drawbacks. However, College Confidential is an unproductive website if it teaches people to be so simplistic in their evaluations of peer institutions. There will be no difference between a school ranked 22 and 31. It's WHAT YOU DO at school 22, or school 31, that will set you apart.</p>
<p>I guess the ones that discuss about UVA as a superior institution over UNC seems to think that I am now trying to belittle UVA. You men or women, have brought this up first. First, you claimed that UVA is hands down, superior, and with the same insecurity now you are viewing somebody posting message to prove that UNC is just as good if not better as attack on UVA. They are both excellent institutions. I have never claimed that UNC is a superior institution over UVA since it is tough to make such claim (vice-versa). There are criterias though, that UNC fares better than UVA in, and I have highlighted some of them. Also, I have not claimed that I am an alumni or a student of UNC nor am I actually "trolling" this board to acclaim the school. This would not be considered as an act of "trolling" as this board is titled "UVA vs UNC-Chapel Hill". Whoever feels an institution is superior to another should rightfully make a legitimate point and claim on which he/she thinks is better. I guess Jags86 doesn't exactly understand the concept of posting on debatable forum. Also, keep it in good taste, guy! I've never called names to address my point. You have no right to claim respect when you are all wrapped around multiple axels and distastefully show emotional downfall when posting on the intellectual forum.</p>
<p>In terms of discussion of ranking, since you have brought up the history of US News ranking, UNC happens to be one of those schools that, with relative consistency, ranked within top 25 (w/in top 20 when the first ranking came out). It had outranked U.C. Berkeley and UCLA in some years which the schools definitely outranked UVA in some years. In terms of overall ranking, with those few spots lower or higher, we generally understand they barely make any difference in calibur if at all. It's readers like yourself who, because they saw a school in few higher spot in U.S. News ranking, the one should carry absolute superior prestige over another, render whole point of the magazine publication quite useless and further, harmful. </p>
<p>Also, U.S. News ranking is not the only respected ranking for some of the professional disciplines. Forbes/ Wallstreet Journal/ FT actually puts UNC Business school several few spots up above UVA. UNC law, often used to rank within 17-27 and most often 25 (but depending on which ranking you'd use it would vary since gourman rep. - which compiles U.S. News data, shows aggregate ranking for KFB in top 20). Also, out of two major categories in medical prog. ranking, you have conveniently addressed only the research (even which UNC outranks UVA in), and left out primary care for med school which the category UNC reigns in (UNC is actually top 3 in this category). And just look, if you have money to subscribe to U.S. News ranking to view the whole ranking, at most of the other liberal arts curriculm (Poli-sci, history, chem, english, bio). I mean even pharmacy or public policy (which all of them are separate category of their own), or even LIBRARY SCIENCE! How would you be so adament to claim that UVA is superior? Listen, I don't know if you are a student or a parent of a student who attends UVA but I initially replied in the way I did in attempt to rid the board of some bias. You guys congregate to denigrate UNC as an inferior institution and hold UVA on a pedestal, and are telling me that I am a troller? People! Re-read the thread see if that claim actually makes sense.</p>
<p>transfer,</p>
<p>if you noticed in my very original post on this thread, I made it very clear that I thought the schools were basicly the same quality wise. I gave differences as I noted on things based entirely NOT on academics, because those in the end will make you choose one over the other.</p>
<p>Its when people attack you with silly BS data and rankings for the sole purpose of degrading, that you have to respond with silly BS data and rankings to prove someone is a complete moron. I don't believe I'm being ridiculous for defending the school I love.</p>
<p>:-P so there!</p>
<p>once again, scottlh is posting false information. UNC has never ranked about UC Berkley or UVA in the US news rankings. Being as Cal has always been ranked 1, and UVA has always been ranked either 1 or 2, I don't see how UNC can be ranked higher. </p>
<p>Yes, I am well aware I don't subscribe to the US News website, as I am not in the complete need to constantly be checking my school against every other school. I only even have the book because my mother bought it when I was applying. I'm pretty sure i have like the 2003 edition.</p>
<p>Yes I did choose the ranking that UNC is only 1 spot ahead of UVA in, because you so stressed research, i felt that was the important category to show you. I also said that I thought that the UNC medical program was stronger than UVA's. I've never claimed that UVA was better than UNC, I've just said that you denegraded UVA for "not being good" because it doesn't show up in some cut and dry rankings - to which I showed you to be incorrect. Besides, if in different ranking systems the schools are changing positions, then obviously rankings are flawed.</p>
<p>Also, you think I claim that UVa is more prestigious because its ranked
higher. Incorrect. I said in my original post that a UVa degree is seen has more high power by the general public. THAT is true. And proven by 2 general guide lines. 1) by the harvard study that both I and globalist posted that showed the UVA is preferred over UNC everywhere in the country. 2) by the fact that schools which are more "selective" are generally seen as more prestigious. UVA is harder to get into than UNC, so people think its better. If you don't believe me, ask the regular person whether they think Harvard or Chicago is better. They'll probably say Harvard, if for no other reason than it's the hardest school to get into.</p>
<p>scottlh, simply refer to your original post on this thread and the posts prior to yours. All that is mentioned is that in one particular study by Harvard, UVA is found to be superior, nowhere does it blast UNC as a terrible school. If someone comes to the UVA boards looking for a comparison, do you honestly expect those of the UVA board to have a great deal of knowledge of UNC? None of those posts claimed UVA>UNC, only presented what they knew about UVA.</p>
<p>"I have never claimed that UNC is a superior institution over UVA since it is tough to make such claim (vice-versa)"</p>
<p>Again take a good look at your first post on this thread and explain how that is not the beginning of all of this (just look at the post title "UNC>UVA"). jags then posted a few differences between the schools, only one of his statements was debatable and you proceed to reply with a post about how UNC is greater than UVA in this and that. After that the discussion has turned into a "my school is better than your school" debate. So who's to blame for starting it all?</p>
<p>No one here denies that UNC is a quality school, but the way you have come to the UVA boards to argue is ridiculous and a complete waste of everyones time. It's unfortunate that the UVA board does not have the knowledge to answer the original poster's question regarding UNC, but that should be expected unless he goes to the UNC board.</p>
<p>I have one thing to say. Here in Gotham (aka NYC), the UVA Club shares a clubhouse with Yale and Dartmouth. Recognizing UVA's excellent academic reputation and similiar traditions and collegiate environment, we were invited to be "in residence" in the Yale Club - the only public school mind you to be in residence (with office space & employees, etc.) at an Ivy League clubhouse. Anyway, someone from UNC called the Yale Club office asking about joining, and they were like, "What's UNC?"</p>
<p>(True story)</p>
<p>Kind of sad that they would not have heard of the state university of North Carolina ;)</p>
<p>UNC supporters can shove it. its not even the best school in a 30 minute radius.</p>
<p>Ditto. I especially love the Duke shirt that says, "Duke: THE University of North Carolina".</p>
<p>cute shirt. i dont respect duke that much though. i wasn't very impressed with the students when i visited on a road trip. a bunch of buddies and i were like "we're from uva" and we were greeted by lots of off hand (purposely or not) comments about how uva is inferior to duke because its a state school. The students there (atleast the ones i met) were pretty ignorant. Also, what school defines a "party scene" by having everyone stand out in the quad on a FRIDAY NIGHT. i love the frats there. they just sit on their big benches and pretend to be hot **** - possibly the most comical thing ive ever seen.</p>
<p>unfortunately a lot of people write UVa off just because it's a public/state school. it's a pretty ignorant thing to do and annoys the hell out of me... and probably everyone else who knows UVa's actual outstanding calibre.</p>
<p>what do you think the lowest GPA/SAT would be of a persoto be accepted to UVA/UNC out of state who is a URM (African american)...ive known people with 3.7 gpas and 1900 SAts accepted at both</p>
<p>It's probably fairly low, but it's nothing I'd be proud of.</p>
<p>to the UNC dude, you are really pathetic, serious.</p>
<p>AND, McIntire >>>>>>> UNC's undergrad business school. McIntire gets incredible recruiting. UNC gets great recruiting, but not as good.</p>
<p>Does Lazard recruit at UNC? NO
Does Blackstone recruit at UNC? NO
Does Greenhill recruit at UNC? NO</p>
<p>I just named three "elite of the elite" boutiques on wall street.</p>
<p>Every wall street firm that recruits at UNC recruits at UVa, not the other way around.</p>
<p>I went to a Goldman sachs reception last week, didn't meet a single person from UNC-CH.</p>
<p>I don't recall posting on this thread recently but I've just got a notification on my email account so I felt I'm obligated to reply. </p>
<p>The dude who called "dude" and "pathetic", I recommend you to reevaluate what truly is pathetic. Replying to a message I've abandoned more than 3months ago with a lame argument and attempt to refute this again seems to be "pathetic" my eyes.</p>
<p>I've seen who goes to Kenan-Flagner to recruit. McKinsey, Lehman Brothers, and Merryl Lynch. Most of my friends actually work between 8th and 3rd ave. so you don't have to tell me about it. UNC and UVA business in calibur are almost neck to neck. I feel there is no need to refute this. I'm out.</p>
<p>Both are great schools academically and they are really quite similar in terms of social scene and sports, frats&srats, etc. However, C'ville blows Chapel Hill out of the water IMHO, and UVa's campus is WAAAAAAAAY prettier. (I also think UNC is better than Duke and I visited both, so there you go. Duke is seriously overrated, I think; the campus wasn't very nice, I hated that two campus thing, and I wasn't impressed with the students.) Also, UNC's 18% OOS population was kinda paltry and a little intimidating, since I would have been OOS there. UVa's 33% OOS rate is a little more managable (I'm OOS here, too). As for scores, they are both very competitive both in and out of state, but I have seen people accepted with GPAs and SATs all over the place, and I've seen a lot of people who got rejected from UVa get into UNC and vice versa.</p>
<p>Theyre both top-notch public colleges. However, their setting is a little different. IMO, UNC is much more integrated into their surrounding, which is a bit more urban than UVA. In terms of admissions, they're very similar. However, UVA is tougher to get into instate (something like 66% of their student body is instate), and UNC is tougher to get in out of state (something like 83% of their student body is instate). Also, UNC is a bit bigger than UVA.</p>