<p>I think you many of you have already seen this, but for those who haven't, you might want to check it out - last year's roster, who got deferred and rejected vs. who got accepted - see their actual stats</p>
<p>i hope the roster looks A LOT better this year!!!</p>
<p>i mean 09's is ridiculous!</p>
<p>lets hope '10 is better and that annandale1 says accepted :)</p>
<p>I analyzed that thing until my eyes crossed one late night a few weeks ago and I really couldn't see any patterns or trends. I guess it's sorta impossible to do without seeing the subjective stuff-
but oh, how difficult it is to STOP reading those stats and stop obsessively comparing mine!</p>
<p>i noticed that very few minority applicants who posted were deferred...or for that matter, applied</p>
<p>excluding asians.</p>
<p>yes...although i havent noticed very many blacks or hispanics posting on the princeton forum this year...many more on the harvard and yale forums...probably because of the binding factor of ed...</p>
<p>almost all the south asians got deferred last year</p>
<p><em>shudders</em></p>
<p>Last year was a miserable year. Lets use our collective brain power to channel through to the adcoms and get ourselves in....That would be an awesome movie!</p>
<p>at this point, im willing to do anything....ANYTHING...for early admission...i just want the anxiety to end!</p>
<p>WAS last year especially miserable, or is it that all years are miserable?</p>
<p>Well i can only speak based on my school. We are a magnet program. Usually about 6-10 people make it Ivy. Last year everyone got rejected, but the quality of the applicants did not drop. Not to mention, online in other forum, people keep saying last year was especially miserable</p>
<p>Sorry I have a random question, my school only does weighted GPA, how is unweighted calculated?.....my average frosh year I assume does not count, my average of meaningful classes sophomore year is 95, my average of meaningful classes junior year is 95.8...what would that translate to on a 4.0 scale?...by meaningful classes I exclude Religion and Gym</p>
<p>O.K., guys.....as I thought ----
I took the trouble to look back at the link & review the stats & summaries of the posters. There was exactly one surprise, to me. (yaffa77)</p>
<p>As you see, most of the posters had high stats, so we'll consider that strong stats are the Fixed, & just look at the Variables. All the deferrals had at least one "problem" with their "hook" status in ED. Here are the "negatives" with regard to hooks or tips, for ED. I went almost to the end of the thread.</p>
<p>"average" essays
geography
1 "harsh" rec + no hook
no memorable e.c.'s
geography + 10% class rank
"bad essay" + no hook
geography
geography + (non)-difficulty of h.s. program
lack of rank + lack of hook
weak e.c.'s
nothing outstanding other than class rank
(poster)-admitted lack of hooks & weak e.c.'s
geography</p>
<p>Here is, one by one, the separating factors (variables) of the Accepteds:</p>
<p>outstanding nat'l prize
First Generation
First Generation + outstanding art
rank + (probably) income
geography + rank +initiative/leadership
geography + awards
geography + ethnicity
geography + rank + score
geography + leadership + recs
geography
geography</p>
<p>See a pattern here?
Now, I don't know all the ultimate results of the deferrals. I do know that deferred supermatt got accepted, ForeverZero is now at either Stanford or Duke, Kayoshin is now at CooperUnion, it appears (what a prize!), Magnum's at Cornell. Summerwind was waitlisted. A couple of deferrals never posted after that.</p>
<p>In ED, it's about more than the stats, folks.</p>
<p>My college counselor told me that until 2010 it's going to get progressively harder and harder to get into colleges because the number of people who are applying is increasing drastically while the number of spots remains relatively constant.</p>
<p>EPIPHANY, I, in the name of all ED Applicants to the Princeton University to the Class of 2010, also affiliated with <a href="http://www.collegeconfidential.com%5B/url%5D">www.collegeconfidential.com</a>, would like to thank you for an outstanding resesearch in the field of "link & review the stats & summaries of the posters". Your contribution to the analysis int his troubling field eases agony of Early Admissions.</p>
<p>I second the motion, and contribute a plaque to the movement.</p>
<p>I donate my invisible plaque to birdman: He launched the Anxiety Trip. Honorable mentions go to Pyramid, for passing on bleak news from his GC & adding other miserable possibilities to ponder. Russian Hopeful & several others added to the negativity. You guys are doing this to <em>yourselves.</em> Please stop fretting about what you have no control over at this point.</p>
<p>After the thread opened, the discussed moved to the bewilderment of Why? The "research" was an attempt to help the very posters who posed that question understand that IF you are (hopefully not!) deferred, it will most likely NOT be because of stats. Yet, many of you keeping focusing on stats. (Parents often do this, too.) This is an attempt to (a) show it's not about stats in ED, mostly, anyway, and (b) give you good news! Look at where some of these deferrals ended up. My D's school would die to have someone accepted to Cooper Union; have been trying for YEARS. Duke? Stanford? (I think that one got accepted to <em>both.</em>) Cornell? Is that chopped liver? At least one deferral accepted RD? There were probably a couple of deferrees who got great acceptances elsewhere, but just never came back & posted about it. And that would not include all the probably wonderful news that just never gets posted on CC because those folks never come here. But you didn't ask about that; you're not talking about fabulous ultimate results or fabulous ultimate alternatives. And those discussions might be on other threads. They weren't on this thread, though.</p>
<p>For heaven's sake, of course I wish ALL of you get accepted to P. I'm always behind the students' efforts here, & my posts on these forums always show that -- not to mention my PM's from & to students. But it would be very foolish for students on the East Coast to stay focused on ONE Ivy, given the recent clear geographical trends of many Ivy admissions, without at the same time polishing contingency apps. The "D" in ED is the decision part; they don't require you also to commit to obsessing exclusively about admission to P 24/7 from August through mid-December.</p>
<p>I get zero pleasure out of anyone's negative admissions results. You need to whine at P admissions -- or much better -- whine at your entire generation of parents who actually reproduced. It's just numbers. Baby-boomers--large population--reproduced, & thus created a subsequent baby-boom whose college entrance age will peak (as Pyramid's counselor said) at 2010. My younger D will have it much worse than your graduating class, if that's possible. There is no way I could get pleasure out of the competition she will face. I have plenty of my own "anguish." THEREFORE, she will not be focusing on one school.</p>
<p>Epiphany, I can't speak for the PolishDude, but my plaque was completely sincere. For me- it does ease the agony to know it is more than stats, to think, and to compare. I thank you for the trends, and the research because not only does it help- it was thoughtful.</p>
<p>And epiphany- I would, oh I would stop fretting over what I have no control over if I could, but I can not. Please remember for many of us this is one of the biggest decisions to occur in our lives. We haven't lived that long. There are many things yet to come, but we can't quite appreciate that yet, because that's how life is lived- step by step. Each one is an experience filled with the emotion, and feeling. At the momemnt freeting, and yes, obsessing is a way of trying to maintain control when we have none. In a month I will look back and laugh at how stupid I was, how stupid I still am, in my worry-
but
I realize that it may seem like this is a big cesspool of negativity- but for me (since I have not told anyone besides my parents and GC where I'm applying) this is a great place to drain away my agony, my fear, and my worry, so that I can hold up my head and smile at school. If I kept all of it inside of me I would spontaenously combust, and it helps- oh it helps, to know that there are other people who feel the same way, who understand each other.</p>
<p>So yes, we are pulling each other down, but I think that's what keeps us afloat.</p>
<p>btw...do I give off male vibes or something??</p>
<p>pyramid.....you deserve a plaque for this post</p>
<p><em>claps</em></p>
<p>epiphany.....thanks a lot. I hope its more than stats too.. Pyramid answered exactly like i was going too</p>