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<p>That’s a silly analogy. No one is talking about letting Sandusky off the hook.</p>
<p>Anyway, PSU’s students are not responsible for the administration’s actions, nor are the many fine academic programs at PSU somehow less-fine because of the football scandal.</p>
<p>My reaction to people still obsessing about Penn State is, “Get a life.” Yes, it is a very sad situation, with a lot of victims, and people are normally upset.</p>
<p>However, if you still need to vent and libel many other people, I think you have personal issues that you should deal with that don’t involve stigmatizing many innocent other people.</p>
<p>In case people are unaware, there are scholar athletes. Being an athlete does not exclude you from being a scholar. Football coaches aren’t any more fanatical than other sport coaches, or violin teachers, and other specialists.</p>
<p>parent1986 - Well said!!!</p>
<p>It don’t think it will de-value the diploma but I would expect an job interviewer to ask about it on an interview. It seems like an obvious question and topic and a good way to better understand what the candidate is about.</p>
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<p>And had the analogous situation been Sandusky’s actions, you would be correct. But had you read more carefully, I’m sure you would have noticed that the analogy was made in reaction to the claim, “The thing to remember is that this is one bad incident, it doesn’t mean PSU administration has been acting badly all the time.” [emphasis added]</p>
<p>And it’s a perfectly good analogy for those willing to leave the PSU administration (and, for that matter, the football program) off the hook.</p>
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<p>Nor has anyone claimed that either obtains.</p>
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<p>What, precisely, should the average PSU student, who has absolutely nothing to do with this scandal, be expected to have to do / say / prove? No one likes child sexual abuse, duh. But they aren’t responsible for it.</p>
<p>And I can’t think of anything dumber than for an interviewer to ask about it on a job interview. What kind of answer do they think they are going to get other than gee, it’s an awful, terrible situation? What else is a PSU student going to say that will add any perspective, or that is germane to the interview situation?</p>
<p>This thing happened at Penn State -which has football mania. I don’t defend football mania, since I think it’s silly, but this could just as easily have happened at some other college that didn’t have a cult-of-football. Whether PSU’s football team was a historical winning powerhouse or a perennial also-ran is really irrelevant to the whole topic.</p>
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<p>Stay home. Leave the stadium empty. Make a statement: “We are Penn State, and we’re declaring that winking at child rape is NOT Penn State.”</p>
<p>Pizzagirl- my feelings are the same as yours.</p>
<p>"And I can’t think of anything dumber than for an interviewer to ask about it on a job interview. "
Well I’m pretty smart, interview candidates all the time, and I would want to know how the scandal affected the student and the larger campus culture from the interviewees perspective. I would guess some were profoundly affected.</p>
<p>flyaround - I agree that is is a natural (altho maybe uncomfortable) interview question. I would hope that EVERY PSU student/alum is prepared to talk about this situation.</p>
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<p>You would be surprised at the questions that are asked at job interviews: opinions on how situations are handled, opinions on ethics, “what would you do” scenarios. At both of my older children’s job interviews, less than half of the interview time was devoted to what you had learned academically. </p>
<p>In fact any candidate that says “Gee, terrible situation” can forget about getting an offer. Good interviewers are looking for depth in your thinking and responses.</p>
<p>Yesterday at the Harvard-Yale tailgate, people were killed by a uhaul full of kegs and the party continued for hours after the game. The police had yellow signs and markers where the dead bodies had lain, and they just kept on partying three hours after the game was over.</p>
<p>It gets a little old hearing about how “evil” the football culture is at these “powerhouse” schools from those who would laud the so-called “better” attitude of those who attend or attend schools where the “football culture” isn’t as intense?</p>
<p>I think there was a cover up at Penn State. DOJ is also investigating Yale for covering up sexual harrassment and allowing it to continue on it’s campus. I mean, whatever. It’s not “Penn State.”</p>
<p>It’s not “football culture”</p>
<p>It’s institutions being allowed to police themselves without outside oversight. We’ve seen this in so many places, not just this one particular school.</p>
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<p>The individual athletes playing on the field had nothing to do with this. PSU is known for its meteorology program. If the head of meteorology department had been involved in a scandal, should students not tune in to hear the weather report?</p>
<p>I’m all for thumbing my nose at student-athletes if THEY have done something wrong.</p>
<p>^^Good post, poetgrl.</p>
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<p>The rapes, or the cover-up, no. The business-as-usual aftermath, they had everything to do with.</p>
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<p>From someone who criticizes others analogies? I’m astounded.</p>
<p>Very good post,poetgrl.</p>
<p>This thread grows quickly. annasdad, when I mentioned Nebraska playing the game, you quickly reiterated your previous post about Nebraska’s coach saying he thought the game should have been cancelled. No kidding. That is why I mentioned it. Even though he thought that the game should not take place, he still brought his team and they played. If Nebraska hadn’t have shown up, there would have been no game. Way to go coach for following through on your convictions. All lip service.
And on another note, quit playing with my statements to make idiotic points. Was it necessary for me to state that the PSU football players showed up at Beaver Stadium to play football against Nebraska that day and add a disclaimer that I was not indicating that they were only attending PSU to play football? Only the most argumentative of readers would have inferred that from my comment. I did refer to them as student-athletes in my comment and I do think most people would infer that their “job” THAT DAY was to play football. I’m off this thread for good; my BP’s getting high.</p>
<p>Poetsgrl’s mention of the DOJ reminded me that this morning when I was driving around the radio played several childhood sexual abuse educational announcements that were sponsored by the DOJ. I’ve never heard them before. </p>
<p>I’ve also read the DOJ is involved with the PSU investigation.</p>
<p>In response to poetgrl, the H-Y death and injuries were not even announced to the students until half-time. The accident scene was cordoned off, and obviously police did not erect a sign to announce a death had occurred. (The truck hit the victums at around 9:40 a.m., long before most of the buses of fans even arrived.) The tailgates were distributed around various parking lot areas, most fans were nowhere near the scene of the accident. </p>
<p>You can certainly question why Yale officials did not make a public announcement earlier, however the fans were unaware of the accident, that is why they continued to celebrate.</p>
<p>You can certainly question the wisdom of allowing beer-laden UHaul trucks driven by frat boys to mix with pedestrians. Harvard already banned kegs and Uhauls last year. </p>
<p>In the PSU case, everyone was aware of the tragedies, for many days.</p>