<p>invisibleman: if your friend confronted her online, and she responded online, then just forward that email/string to the admissions office, to that area’s admission officer. if you don’t know who that is, call and ask the receptionist. she’ll give the info.</p>
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I’m the one who confronted her, it was actually via Facebook, so I don’t think that would be as viable. We’ve contacted the admissions office with some general questions, but haven’t given her name or anything yet. We kind of doubt that they would act off the tip of one anonymous email.</p>
<p>if it is still on your facebook page, take a screenshot. print the screenshot. give name, high school, city, state. send it snail mail. or call and give the info to the receptionist. or send it from an anonymous email address.</p>
<p>they would most likely at least look into this and call the GC, even with an anonymous email. especially if your school has a relationship with yale and has accepted people in past years. but you don’t have to be anonymous; can’t see this being held against you.</p>
<p>you don’t have anything to be worried about. you didn’t do anything wrong.</p>
<p>She obviously broke the rule, but I don’t agree with SCEA anyway so I don’t blame her. Honestly, why does Yale need single choice early action. They’re Yale, they will have a high yield no matter what, and even if you turn down Yale, it’s probably for Harvard or Princeton, neither of which have an early application. It’s not fair for a school of that caliber to prevent students from applying EA to other schools that they have a much better chance of getting into. I don’t see how it would hurt Yale to at least have ED instead, if not EA.</p>
<p>trf1210: that’s fine that you don’t agree with SCEA. there are lots of rules and laws in life that i don’t agree with, but that does not give me the right to break them. and if i choose to break them, i choose the consequence.</p>
<p>yale is trying to keep a level of EA available. and since harvard and princeton have abandoned the idea of EA completely, SCEA is a way for an applicant to demonstrate genuine interest to yale, without being bound to attend if other opportunities arise. i think it is fair for yale and stanford to offer SCEA as an option, when all they are asking is the courtesy to know that theirs IS your top SCEA choice.</p>
<p>if this continues, i bet all the SCEA and EA will disappear, and everyone will get to hang on all year until April for all decisions. i think that stinks for the students who want to play by the rules and demonstrate serious interest…or who would like to be done with the madness in Dec if possible.</p>
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<p>well, i kind of agree with you. it isn’t the greatest to offer SCEA so we can’t apply anywhere else EA. i am of the general opinion that we should streamline the college app process like doctor residency placement and make applications due sooner in students’ senior years. however, i think yale went to SCEA because administration there felt ED was unjust. as i read on another thread, perhaps they went to SCEA to cut down on the ridiculous flood of applications they’d get as an EA school. if yale was simply an EA school, everyone with any shred of desire to apply and enough time to complete the application by november 1 would apply EA. it’s not THAT big a deal anyway.</p>
<p>that does not make this girl’s cheating justified, however. follow ilmkmom’s advice, kaekae, if you have access to the FB post!</p>
<p>I think SCEA is a great idea, and I wish more schools had it. After all, what are the benefits to applying ED? You get to demonstrate that the school is your first choice, and you get to (hopefully) finish the process early. But what are the problems? Students in need of serious financial aid can’t do it in case the aid isn’t good enough, so it ends up being the richer applicants using it. This is exactly why the top schools stopped using ED programs. But SCEA has all the benefits of ED (being able to show first-choice commitment, being done in December) without restricting the financial options of applicants in need.</p>
<p>^^right, but what my point is that because it’s NOT binding, it doesn’t really help Yale…they don’t really know if those they accept will ultimately attend…yea, they are Yale and they don’t have to worry about that, but it still doesn’t make sense…</p>
<p>and, imo, psychologically, the student who applies to Yale SCEA knows it’s not binding and it may or may not be their first choice, but “why not throw in an app?”…</p>
<p>and the whole FA thing has proven to be less relevant in schools that have promised 100% need fulfillment if one’s income is below a certain threshold…and the whole no loan thing of the last few years has made comparing FA in these tippy top schools a moot point…how many low income students accepted to HYPSM have complained about their FA package recently??? none</p>
<p>Given that Harvard and Princeton have eliminated ANY sort of early, it just basically means that the cream of the crop decide to apply to either Yale or Stanford SCEA, a public safety, and then wait to hear from Harvard or Princeton to make decisions…(and maybe they apply to Penn RD just to be able to say they are attending an “Ivy”…)</p>
<p>Not talking about the mere brilliant mortal senior here; only those that have “cured cancer” type…</p>
<p>InvisibleMan023 and I got a response after contacting Yale; we just sent them the information about the student that they requested. Thanks for all the advice.</p>
<p>rodney: There are tangible benefits to Yale. Firstly, they get to wade through many apps, offer some accepts (especially with coveted athletes who are being wooed by many many other schools). Sure those accepted don’t commit but Yale is very comfortable with their yield estimation processes. That’s not a point of worry for them. What it does give them is added time to woo those given acceptances and doesn’t require them to decide on all 29000 apps before March. A goodly amount has already been accepted/rejected or deferred.</p>
<p>The SCEA restriction is a necessity to avoid the issues previously mentioned. The “fairness” comes in this: the student wants a Yes/No/Deferred decision from Yale in December (including FA estimations for admitees). With this knowledge he/she can take other very focused courses of action. He/she needs to abide by SCEA and get the apps in earlier (not an easy thing to do). If the student wants to forego the early notification, he/she can apply RD. </p>
<p>Since everything is laid out, I find it hard to see the lack of “fairness”. </p>
<p>Look at Questbridge which requires a LOT from their applicants (more than the typical Yale SCEA applicant). But look at its benefits too.</p>
<p>Update: Success!</p>
<p>Yale admissions has contacted the cheating student!</p>
<p>Did they find out about it through you or on their own?</p>
<p>What will happen to this girl? I’m guessing auto-rejection from Yale, but will they contact Notre Dame as well?</p>
<p>By the way, this “blacklist” thing that a few posters have mentioned sounds troubling to me. So a student applying from a cheater’s school a couple years down the road, who has no idea that such things had even occurred, may be automatically rejected just because of that one incident? Hardly sounds fair to me…</p>
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<p>Don’t be surprised if she kicks your *** and/or makes the rest of your high school career absolutely miserable. She probably knows it was you that did it.</p>
<p>You have to be kidding me…you may have not only screwed over the girl, but every other student that will be applying to your school. As well, even though what she did was obviously wrong, it seems to me that, given the potential consequences that she could face, you should not have reported her to Yale. It just seems a bit, for lack of a better term, too dou**ey if you ask me.</p>
<p>She was deferred anyway, so it wasn’t so bad that they decided to tell Yale–the odds of her getting in weren’t very high in the first place. If this girl wanted to cheat, she should have been ready to face the consequences. For her to put her application above everyone else’s–to the point of risking a blacklist of the school–was unacceptable.</p>
<p>This “blacklist” is utter bullsh-t. </p>
<p>There is nothing preventing a student from lying to an admissions officer. Seriously, nothing. A student could just ask that their counselors and teachers submit all of their forms early “to make sure nothing gets lost in the mail.” They would have no choice but to believe the student, and, even if they didn’t, there’s no way they could find out anything otherwise.</p>
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We are hardly so amateur as to have left such a loose end. She initially showed some slight suspicion due to the proximity of certain events, but our handling of the situation soon dispelled that. Now, she is talking and even emoting about it to me.
Even if our peers found out, they would be more likely to congratulate our efforts rather than censure them, because of this girl’s generally repellent character.
This opinion is your prerogative, but many people (including us) were in agreement that justice should be done. Why are you so immediately sympathetic to a person who you don’t know anything about? It seems to me that the default for many people in our situation would be to side with the school unless conflicting material was presented. This student is often deceitful and vitriolic. Honestly, we view our response to her violation of the EA policy as a symbolic victory considering all the other (though often minor) offenses that she has committed. By the way, no one else from our school is applying to Yale, and, as bluescreen says, she will probably be rejected in the next round. Don’t interpret this as supercilious: our chances at other schools, though better than hers, are still not great.
We didn’t do anything wrong. She did.</p>
<p>rockerrcm, you’re wrong that high schools incur no penalty when colleges discover that students have breached ED/SCEA rules. From a thread on a related topic, here is a quote from a poster who is a HS guidance counselor. I can’t say it better.</p>
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<p>rockermcr: it’s my understanding that the GC must sign off on an applicant’s ED/EA application, signifying that they are aware of the restrictions of that particular application. I don’t think a GC who is just filling out transcript/school report requests early in the school year should miss that extra step that EA/ED applicants must have.</p>
<p>Therefore GCs who assist students in multiple ED/SCEA forms are either complicit or negligent. Both of which would be covered in wjb’s post above.</p>