we don't need no education (a rant by me, for you)

<p>So I'm at my computer simultaneously trying to study for two SATs and a school test at once.</p>

<p>My Princeton review sat study guide tells me that this book will not help me in life; it just tells me how to take a test. Due to lack of time, I'm forced to study for my school test through rote memorization.</p>

<p>This is how I'm supposed to learn?</p>

<p>Why does it seem that today's education system designed high school as only prep for college? It seems we're learning how to get into the top colleges, at the cost of learning things that benefit us after college.</p>

<p>I'm tired of being fed the all-purpose oxymoron (and you can put in your own euphemisms here) "pad your college app with your passion" all the time now. </p>

<p>The emphasis on college (especially here on this forum, please don't deny this) is getting ridiculous. I see dozens of threads about certain questions on tests taken a long time ago. I see thousands of students posting chances threads that only give false overconfidence or disheartening criticism. And I see posts rhetorically, existentially asking cyberspace why he/she has spent four years of their lives only to get rejected from their dream schools.</p>

<p>Let's face it. The top colleges (HYPSM, ivies, w/e) are crapshoots now, and will become worse by the time I graduate next year. I refuse to even chance looking back at my high school years and regretting them. Next week, in spite of it being "one of the most crucial of my life", I will see the new Tarantino flick, go to a school dance, and celebrate my friend's birthday. I will play all my ultimate Frisbee recreation games, place my extra-curriculars (and I think some of us really need to take a look at the definition of EXTRA-curricular) ahead of my grades. I will have fun. My parents tell me to prioritize. I have. </p>

<p>This forum is a good idea. A chance to talk with college-ready peers, to share in the college admittance process, to ask questions your guidance counselors only pretend to have answers to. But let's not make "high school life" turn into an oxymoron. Do I hear a yeah?</p>

<p>Finally, a sane one among us lunatics.</p>

<p>I love Pink Floyd
& agree with your "rant."</p>

<p>:] Mark Twain was correct in saying that education is distinct from schooling.</p>

<p>wait till you reach the glorious point in your high school year called "senioritis", where you will be hanging out with your friends, boy/girlfriend, shopping, going out to eat, bowling, facebooking, and anything else you can think of that puts off the 3 AP tests and essay you have due the next week.</p>

<p>live life! school is cool but so is doing things that make you happy. LOVE what you're learning - don't just take it in as something to learn for the AP test. learn about history and famous authors and then laugh at the jokes on the Simpsons and Family Guy that you didn't get before.</p>

<p>i applaud at your maturity and the insight you have on the ridiculousness of some mindsets. :)</p>

<p>amen.
this should be put up as a featured discussion/ somehow shown to all of the frantically studying lunatics that go on here to ask if they will get accepted to harvard with a 2841.342 gpa/ 23128973 SAT score, and 10000 extracurriculars.. it could save their life.</p>

<p>Well, since this is a rant, I'll share a rant I posted some time ago:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=301030%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=301030&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>And some points I raised
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=308067%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=308067&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=308067&page=2%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=308067&page=2&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=320362%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=320362&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The point is, to question the entire institution of schooling, an industrial-age institution that the Internet has made antiquated.</p>

<p>An excellent book:</p>

<p><a href="http://reactor-core.org/deschooling.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://reactor-core.org/deschooling.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>==</p>

<p>Personally, I think that online tests are still necessary, even if they are flawed. Replace aptitude tests with skill-based tests (if you've acquired the skills, more skills at more abstract levels,such as abstract algebra, would illustrate the limits of one's aptitude). But school itself is a huge waste of time.</p>

<p>Some day, I'm going to collect some psychological and sociological papers (I already have a few of them), and write something about the problems of the educational system (the central problem is putting students in a school per se, not lack of funding). I don't think it'll be too big to fit into a book, but it might. Depends on how things are going...</p>

<p>Anyways, social attitudes are often slower to change than technology is. The desire to get into a good college may have been a well-informed one in the past, but the availability of so much information from the best colleges over the Internet pretty much nullifies the informational divide between those at top colleges and those not at top colleges.</p>

<p>of course, one could have also gone to university libraries in the pre-Internet days as well. That works for individually motivated students, but not when a group of students is interested in learning beyond the curriculum. Of course, it was also difficult to figure out which textbooks were best in the pre-Internet days - now we can just go to the MIT OCW websites to see what they are. ;) (along with solutions and study guides). And of course, never underestimate how awesome online forums are (though they have insanely smart people in them)</p>

<p>The fact that you used double negatives in your thread title means you need an education. :-P </p>

<p>That's a no-no (unless you are speaking spanish).</p>

<p>I'm just joshing with you, so please don't take offense. </p>

<p>But you are right.</p>

<p>Anyone else notice that this person is a sophomore? Why are you studying for two SATs you're sophomore year? And trust me if you're stressed sophomore year then you will have a nervous breakdown senior and junior year.</p>

<p>Well she registered in march 2006, maybe she was a sophomore then.</p>

<p>good point</p>

<p>haha. i'm a junior now, and i'm a guy.
nice to be clear about these things eh?</p>

<p>lol, smurfgirl, how have you not heard of pink floyd! =P
btw, was the "no-no" an intentional pun?</p>

<p>i hear yah! (: seriouslyyyy.
i'm in 6th period & browsing CC and found this topicc.
and i couldn't agree more, haha. </p>

<p>:D</p>

<p>High school gets us into college, and college is basically a technical school if you think about it... we're moving futher away from the liberal arts/science education all the time in favor of all things "practical" and "applicable" like business and engineering. </p>

<p>Sophomore, you make some good points. Unlike InquilineKea, however, I still think school is alright. Better than the alternatives anyways. I'm pretty self motivated, but even still I wouldn't want to sit in front of a screen all day - schools might not give you an "education", but they do let you develop some social skills. We should be rebuilding the sense of community that is being taken away through technology, and not in the context of secondlife or something crazy like that.</p>

<p>It's weird if you think about it - but our generation is the first to grow up with a form of communication (instant/text messaging, etc) that doesn't involve any of the five senses. This is especially disconcerting if you believe (and I think this is a reasonable claim) that a good part of communication comes from body language and voice tone. </p>

<p>Just a thought, anyways.</p>

<p>I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd and the pun was unintended lol. I didn't catch that actually. :P</p>

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Sophomore, you make some good points. Unlike InquilineKea, however, I still think school is alright. Better than the alternatives anyways. I'm pretty self motivated, but even still I wouldn't want to sit in front of a screen all day - schools might not give you an "education", but they do let you develop some social skills. We should be rebuilding the sense of community that is being taken away through technology, and not in the context of secondlife or something crazy like that.</p>

<p>It's weird if you think about it - but our generation is the first to grow up with a form of communication (instant/text messaging, etc) that doesn't involve any of the five senses. This is especially disconcerting if you believe (and I think this is a reasonable claim) that a good part of communication comes from body language and voice tone.

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<p>Please cite examples of communication from body language and voice tone that cannot be replicated through the Internet. **. In addition to this, cite examples of **academic knowledge from body language and voice tone that cannot be replicated through the Internet. </p>

<p>People learn unconsciously how to communicate with body language and voice tone. Some people are better at unconscious learning than others. In fact, those with autism cannot learn such communication skills unconsciously. They can only learn how to communicate consciously. Moreover, there are unconscious neuromechanisms that allow for the recognition of faces. The destruction of such neuromechanisms leads to [url=<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia%5DProsopagnosia%5B/url"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia]Prosopagnosia[/url&lt;/a&gt;]. This is a form of absorbing information about other people (just as communication is), and just like body language, is a skill that one learns unconsciously, not through school. </p>

<p>Moreover, you claim that you are self-motivated. You imply that your level of self-motivation is representative of the level of self-motivation that others have. Is that such the case? How do you know that it is such the case if you only have a limited subgroup of people to compare your level of self-motivation with?</p>

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Better than the alternatives anyways. I'm pretty self motivated, but even still I wouldn't want to sit in front of a screen all day - schools might not give you an "education", but they do let you develop some social skills.

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<p>Your argument testifies to your lack of imagination about the "alternatives." Perhaps it testifies to your lack of experience of how homeschoolers are able to develop social skills. I can point out to a number of homeschoolers who have developed adequate social skills in lieu of not going to school. Please, post this in the homeschooling forum, as well as the parents forum. Tell the homeschoolers that they have had inadequate opportunities to develop their social skills. Your ability to jump to this conclusion so rapidly is a clear example of intellectual arrogance. Of unwarranted conclusions based on limited research. You assume that school "allows you to develop social skills", and phrase it in a way such that you assume that this conclusion applies to most people.</p>

<p>Tell me, why are schools a superior mechanism of developing social skills?</p>

<p>Moreover, your lack of imagination extends to historical records. Public schooling for the masses is an industrial age invention. *People had adequate communication skills (and natural languages) far before the advent of pubic schooling. Schooling is completely unnecessary for learning how to communicate. Body language came far before the advent of public schooling. *</p>

<p>Schooling in the upper grades is often used as a means of standardizing units of knowledge according to state and federal standards. These units of knowledge can be easily learned by means of books or better yet, the Internet. The main issue with the Internet is that the student must be able to distinguish between the knowledge that is helpful, and the knowledge that is not helpful. Until the government can tag such websites (the criteria of tagging should involve a professional review of the material), libraries may be more helpful than the Internet. Of course, people who know how to search well do not need libraries. Searching is another skill important for the info age.</p>

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We should be rebuilding the sense of community that is being taken away through technology, and not in the context of secondlife or something crazy like that.

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<p>Schools are a mechanism of constraining people to interact only with other similarly aged students who live in the same region. The Internet is liberating in how it allows people to communicate with others all over the world, people who are more likely to share similar interests with each other.</p>

<p>^ children, this is why you should go out, party, and have a life in high school.</p>

<p>Come on, there's nothing wrong with that post and that was a cheapshot.</p>

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^ children, this is why you should go out, party, and have a life in high school.

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<p>Was that in reference to my post? :p</p>

<p>I'm actually trying to develop a template reply post to anyone who uses the phrase "you can't develop adequate socialization skills if you're homeschooled." :p (since so many people use that phrase, so I'm planning on using a generic template to reply to all such posts in the future, though this wasn't a perfect reply)</p>