<p>If there are problems with semantics I believe they are found in your postings on this issue. You are doing a disservice to Navy Athletics and potential applicants with your supposiyions. It appears you have not spoken with Admissions or Navy coaches on this issue recently. Perhaps you could do so before speaking about possibilities or events that happened in the past.</p>
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<p>You describe an either-or situation which does not cover the full gamut. No one is suggesting that a coach is unethical. What about the 'soft' recruit, usually candidate initiated, who the coach might perhaps in the future want to assist before the board depending on the outcome of his 'hard' recruits. The record will probably be placed on hold. </p>
<p>How am I doing anyone a disservice? If a candidate, who is a decent athlete, has a strong academic package, I say go through admissions on the strength of the academic package alone and become a walk-on. On the other hand, if a candidate feels that his package can perhaps stand the extra help of a coach, follow up with the admissions office to ensure that a decision is being made. Again, where is the disservice? Sounds like good positive proactive advice to me. </p>
<p>Your last bit of advice:</p>
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<p>And if the candidate feels that it cannot stand alone? I guess your advice would be to go home and forget about it? Is this providing a service to the Athletic Department? Is this providing a service to the candidate? I think not in either case. Your intent baffles me.</p>
<p>It has been two years since I discussed this with Admissions and it is most definitely on my list for my next meeting. Thanks for your concern.</p>
<p>I've 3 questions about this ...
1. What is "supposiyions"?
2. Is there anyone on the planet, USNA fan or otherwise, who would buy the notion that USNA athletes, top to bottom, "stand alone"? No doubt many, most, perhaps nearly all, but ...
3. Who made the decision to do away with fonics? :eek:</p>
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<p>We probably should cut patrish a little slack. I think he was getting a little excited and the 'y' is immediately adjacent to the 't' on the keyboard.</p>
<p>I would say that 'standing on their on' is somewhere between 'some' and 'many', depending on the sport.</p>
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<p>Huh??</p>
<p>Are you going to make me go back and reread all my drivel to find out if it is me or he who you are chastising??</p>
<p>hmmmm.........</p>
<p>So if one had to "sum it all up:"</p>
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<li>Get your application completed and submitted in as soon as you can.</li>
<li>Make it the best that you can- meaning, if SATs or CFA are low, retake them.</li>
<li>Submit any updates in a timely fashion.</li>
<li>If you will be persuing a sport at USNA, contact the coach. </li>
<li>Make sure you have a plan B in place.</li>
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<p>The way I figure it, a candidate has two choices.
1. To try and figure this all out, which takes time and energy, and in the end, will still leave one without all the pieces (USNA69 and GONAVY did a great job in trying to put the puzzle together!!!)
2. Use that time and energy to work on #2 above.</p>
<p>My advice would be #2.</p>
<p>Best of luck everyone! PPW for the Class of 2012 is just a few short days away.....
and the Class of 2013 is already "forming." Work on those applications and get them in.....</p>
<p>Good and BRIEF summary, imho. All the rest is pretty much jukin and jivin, trying to scoop a system that unless your pappy and grandpappy are admirals, is nearly juke-n-jive proof. :cool:</p>
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<p>Darn, believe it or not, sometimes silk purses are the final result.</p>
<p>PS ... And ol 69er ... re: the "fonics" inquiry, see #1 of that post. ;) And don't go belittling a piggy's ear! :eek:</p>
<p>GO NAVY! Fear the BOAT GOAT! :cool:</p>
<p>Oh, you are repeating yourself. And you call me 'ol'?</p>
<p>OH. So if my pappy and grandpappy weren't admirals, and I'm not a star athlete and straight A's for 4 years of HS and perfect SAT's , my chances of getting in to USNA are.........?</p>
<p>Thats the great news of getting to your point and mine ... we only need one post to fit all and we're meeting new people every day.</p>
<p>Navy18- slim to none.. sorry?</p>
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<p>No one on this forum sits on the admissions board or has a clue. Neither is anyone in a position to say that a package either looks good or bad. There is only one way for you to find out. Apply.</p>
<p>And one favor. If you decide to ask a coach for unsolicited help, stay on top of your application.</p>
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OH. So if my pappy and grandpappy weren't admirals, and I'm not a star athlete and straight A's for 4 years of HS and perfect SAT's , my chances of getting in to USNA are.........?
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<p>only one thing is for sure- don't apply, and you have a 100% chance of not getting in.</p>
<p>If you are interested, if you think this is a good fit for you, if your goal is to become a United States Naval Officer, then apply.
If that is not the goal, look elsewhere.
If it is, USNA is but one way to get to your goal. Apply.
There are other routes as well. Look into NROTC.</p>
<p>As for the coaches...
can only speak to our personal experience.
We will never know how much the coach "helped" or did not help....our Mid did contact in Junior year....and it did put our Mid on the radar screen. Key, however was his BGO, who was a terrific resource.</p>
<p>As for applications_ it is in one's best interest to stay on top of their application no matter what desk it is sitting on. This is your application- keep track of what you need to submit, when to submit it, and to whom you have to submit it. </p>
<p>If you are applying to more that one school (you need to have back up plans in place) then consider keeping a log-spreadsheet-whiteboard- or any other type of chart/tracking method of keeping track of your applications. Keep a hard copy of EVERYTHING you submit- no matter the school....an accordian-type file can works well. USNA makes it easy as you can check the CIS to see what parts of your application have been received....other schools may not offer that, so it is up to you to keep track.</p>
<p>One final piece of advice.
You may hear lots of folks talk about USNA as "the only school to which they applied." That would not be the advice I would offer. Just one look at the number of kids that are triple-q'd, even with a nomination in hand, that STILL don't get an appointment speaks volumes. Have a back up plan in place..... and I would add to that, have a third and fourth plan in place. Putting all your eggs in one basket is never a good thing.</p>
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<p>Navy18, don't fall into the "hype trap", take a look at the class profile for the past few years and see how you match up, the profile is about the best and most objective piece of data you can easily get your hands on to contrast your scholastic achievements with. </p>
<p>As far as athletes go, if every kid that showed up this summer was a super star athlete I would hazard a guess more than ~40% would have passed the PRT</p>
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<p>As others have said the only way you will ever find out if you can get in is by applying, if the effort necessary is worth it to you, even if you only have a 1 in 10 shot at it, why not apply and find out. </p>
<p>There are other factors that are completely outside your control; for example the number of applicants from your district etc. In our region the Naval Academy is very competitive, whereas West Point and the Air Force Academy typically has about half to a third the number of nominees. </p>
<p>Concentrate on what is within your control and try and put the best package possible in front of the admissions board. </p>
<p>If you are a well rounded applicant, with good SAT scores, good grades and some decent EC’s, sports etc, you can do it. You may not get an LOA, but who cares if you are still a member of the incoming class. </p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>In my opinion, getting a commission from USNA is 10% getting admitted and 90% graduating. The workload at USNA will be harder than anything you ever experienced in high school or college. So, it takes a lot of hard work once you do the hard work to get in. I wonder if there is a set of statistics that indicate how students with 4.0's in high school performed over the course of the 4 years at USNA. I feel that your four years of high school is your apprenticeship to enter USNA where you do your journeyman training, only to graduate and become an apprentice again. It is an interesting cycle.</p>
<p>Apparently my sarcasm was not recognized.</p>
<p>I got it!;)</p>
<p>I was thinking, "Now how did 18 ever JUMP to that conclusion in light of all that's been mumbled on this thread?!?" He/she sounds like a couple other teenagers I've known, who make some strange assumptions based upon the known facts ...</p>
<p>"Lemme tell you about ASS-U-ME, son!" :confused:</p>
<p>Foghorn Leghorn</p>
<p>USNA69
How do you feel about a Congressman who submits 10 names (equally) to the Admissions Office for them to decide who to give the nomination to? How does a kid who on paper doesn't look as good as another?</p>
<p>How does a kid who might not look as good on paper as another distinguish himself to get the nom?</p>