<p>swimming at yale is 670/section, according to an admitted swimmer.</p>
<p>SATs at the end of the week…anyone else out there with a student (ivy hopeful) taking them Saturday?</p>
<p>My son is taking them…not sure if is an Ivy hopeful or not. All depends on recruiting. His classmate who has already committed to an Ivy as a junior has not even been requested to take January SAT’s (I hear that alot on here, so I thought it was interesting).</p>
<p>My nephew was recruited by an ivy university and was told his sat score had to be 1650/2400 and he had to maintain a 95 average through graduation. I might add his father was a legend in the same sport his son is playing. It all depends on who you know and how much they want you.</p>
<p>^^It also depends on what school you go to. Per Naviance, at my son’s school, the average gpa for several of the Ivies is anywhere from a mid 3.2 to mid 3.4 with average 1800-1900 SAT’s (but some much lower ones…1700 at Harvard for example). “Hard” sport + respected secondary school = admission.</p>
<p>Which sports are “hard”?</p>
<p>Our non revenue/non helmet athlete sent a very respectable transcript and the Jan scores in –
got a response back from the coach about the transcript/resume etc which was postive and
as for the over 1900 sat was told “a nice start” keep at it…see ya soon</p>
<p>fogfog…i’m a glass half full guy. let’s look at the positive side. communications are open with the coach and you are getting feedback. that is always a great sign. your student athlete is motivated and is chasing his/her dream school…also very positive. the coach liked the transcript/resume…also very positive. do you know where you sit relative to other student/athletes in this sport? did the coach share with you where he sees your son/daughter on his recruiting list? did the coach give you a target for SATs, not that 1900 is shabby? They must be combining the Math, Reading and Writing. I’ve seen many schools (in our travels) that just do Math and Reading. Best of luck going forward, and keep us updated.</p>
<p>fogfog, hope your weekend visit was a good one. At least you have a basis of comparison for the next one!</p>
<p>I’m responding to fenway’s post. In some sports at the Ivies the coaches may have a solid recruiting list in place for the current HS juniors. </p>
<p>Insert diclaimer here, because this is just anecdotal…</p>
<p>However, our impression from a couple of years ago was that the coaches were primarily gathering names and brag sheets for whoever came their way at this time of the year. Coaches didn’t start active recruiting until July 1st. If I had to guess I’d say they possibly didn’t rank order their list until June. The July calls seemed to be about making sure athletic PRs, test scores and transcripts were current and correct, and then followed up with invitations to visit if there was a match. Coaches were also trying to establish if the student was truly interested in the Ivy league, and if so, locked in official visits. </p>
<p>For my D’s sport, I don’t think the coach could have said where she was on the list until maybe September of senior year, after it became clear who would really attend if recruited, and who they really liked, based on visits/phone calls to athletes and HS coaches, and so on.</p>
<p>My SAT threshold info is a couple of years old, but I would guess the 1900 is just a tiny bit low. We were told breaking 2000 was golden. I know Ivy recruites who received 2000 plus, offered to retake, and were told by coaches not to bother. It seems like the desirable score has shifted up, if anything, but not into the stratospherical 2200 plus range.</p>
<p>A parent of an ivy athlete in our students sport tells me that at 2100 SAT things got heated up and moving well…</p>
<p>Our student expects to be able to get to the 2200+ and thats what we want to see–</p>
<p>So far there are several coaches interested and we will see what happens come July–</p>
<p>By July the Jr yr transcript will be avaliable–the NCAA profile will have the transcript, the SATs, the subject tests, the APs etc…
and with those stats and hopefully better PRs, our student will have a nice fall.</p>
<p>At this point - I think I will cousel our kiddo to stick to basics, asking questions about the program and balancing the academics since the univ is about the academics and the sports is the EC. We ant to be sure its a great fit for academics and that kiddo can balance both.</p>
<p>Also–it will be interesting to see where coaches are in the fall etc as we saw some coach carosel this past summer/fall as a few moved around. Coach temperment will set the tone of any program.</p>
<p>I think its all good right now–and was expecting a luke warm reception to 1900+ since at the low end of the mid 50% is about 2100-2200
our visit to that campus is at the end of next month.</p>
<p>The other coach asking for transcripts etc hasn’t responded yet and we do know that coach has some big things on the front burners right now so we are not paniced.</p>
<p>Fenway South: I love your attitude! I am going to remember your words 
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<p>Riverrunner: Interesting to hear that some coaches will already have their HS juniors selected…</p>
<p>My D started this process in October (she is a current junior) and is now fully immersed in this - or as much as she can be before July 1st! Over 12 colleges have asked for her transcripts, and responded positively, and all 23 that she is communicating with have seen her initial SAT scores in the 2000 range - with 2 more test dates selected before June subject tests, and the end of all testing - phew! These communications range in their frequency - surprisingly some of the “harder” schools (as in top tier and ivies) are the ones who write her the most. They are also the ones who encourage her to make “phone dates” with them (my daughter calls them on a previously agreed date and time). She is primarily focused on Div. 1, with 3 colleges being Div. III. Of all those schools, she would probably be very happy to go to about 10 of them - I think she is continuing to communicate with the ones she is not so interested in as a learning exercise - not sure exactly! Very soon, she is going on her first unofficial visit at the coach’s request - basically being a “student” there for 24 hours - and this is to one of her top 2 choices. Very exciting for her, and no doubt it will be a big learning experience.</p>
<p>Very exciting, stressful, hopeful, thrilling = everything! It is a tremendous opportunity for her to get an outstanding college education while participating in the sport she is OBSESSED with. We do have a plan B though, just in case of injury, etc., and have visited several colleges that have nothing at all to do with her sport. </p>
<p>I hate to rush time, etc. but I am looking forward to the summer when the flattering words from the coaches end and the real, hard interest is shown. What a journey this is…and how fortunate we are to be on it. Never in a million years would I have imagined all this.</p>
<p>Mayhew</p>
<p>Your house sounds busy! How wonderful!</p>
<p>Our student was on line this afternoon searching web sites of schools we will vsiist next month. (finally)</p>
<p>fogfog - Have fun on those upcoming visits! Very exciting, and enlightening too, I think. I look forward to hearing your reactions, experiences, and your student’s thoughts too. Good luck - and it is so great to just be alone traveling with student - valuable talking time, sharing thoughts and impressions, etc. :)</p>
<p>fogfog and mayhew, your kids sound like they are possibly matches for the Ivies. Don’t be surprised to find the DIII LACs acting a bit reserved, if you share with them that the Ivies are also on the list. I think they can spot the kids who will go Ivy, and don’t jump up and down recruiting them unless they indicate they actually don’t want Ivy and are choosing the DIII route. Some very good LACs may be waiting in the wings for athletes who go through Ivy recruiting but fail to get a LL from their schools of choice. Not for all sports, but for many…</p>
<p>On one of our college tours junior year, we hit a mix of Ivies and DIII LACs. When the LAC coaches asked where we were headed next and heard an Ivy name, things cooled off considerably. They want to be your first choice.</p>
<p>riverrunner: That makes perfect sense, and something we were thinking about too as only one of the Div. III schools is continuing to insert itself into the picture. The other 2 she is writing with are much less aggressive than any D1 program writing her. Early on, my daughter did tell a couple of other Div. III 's (who she would have liked without sport being an issue), that she was really interested in D1, but if that should change, she would let them know right away. They wrote back with very nice words, and asked that yes, could she let them be the first to know if anything changed for her. The most academically competitive DIII is still writing to her, but yes, I agree with you - it is pretty obvious to them with her stats, etc. that she if she wants to be a Div.1 recruit, she can be.</p>
<p>I certainly don’t blame those LAC coaches. Why waste time and energy writing potential recruits when you know they are being pursued more heavily than you can compete with - i.e. serious admissions help, slots, etc. with ivies, and all that plus athletic $ from non-ivies.</p>
<p>It is an interesting comparison study though. Thanks a lot for your impressions - I really appreciate your words and opinions on these postings - and encouraging to know you made it out the other side too!! Again, thank you.</p>
<p>My daughter was in the same situation as the children of riverrunner and mayhew. She ended up choosing a top LAC rather than one or the other of the top Ivies (and never considered other D1 schools for academic reasons). It really came down to where she would be most comfortable if she didn’t play a sport (the “If you tripped and hurt your knee on your way to your first practice and couldn’t play again, where would you like to be?” question that it is important for the kids to consider.) as well as what the time demands would be in the off-season. After giving it a lot of thought and visiting campuses and taking the regular admissions tours and information sessions in addition to the athletic ones this past Spring, she realized that she just loved the DIII school and the athletic situation there and applied early decision.
I think that at the best academic DIII schools the coaches know that with the top athletes they are competing against some of the Ivies and they are hopeful that they can get a few of the student-athletes to truly consider them. But they do recognize that this may be a tough sell and combined with what are in many cases more rigorous admissions standards, it means that unless there is a connection, true interest and academic compatibility early on the coach will turn their efforts elsewhere.<br>
The other thing that I found was that unless your child is a true star if they have top grades and scores you may run into a situation where coaches say something to the effect of “your scores and grades are great so you are likely to get in and when you do you have a spot on the team” but that they may not give you an admissions slot because they can use them on star level athletes with lesser academic qualifications. Just something to think about and prepare for when your child is having those final discussions with the coach.<br>
Best of luck!</p>
<p>Columbia1985: Thanks for this perspective, and you are so right about the “if you tripped and could never play your sport where would you want to be?” scenario. Everything you wrote makes a lot of sense - thanks!</p>
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<p>Well-put! More than one coach said that to my son.</p>
<p>Wow
I dont get why a coach will pass on a kid with great stats academically and sports wise to take a kid with maybe better sports stats and poorer grades/SATs.
…what if the kid with the nice academics doesn’t get in without the supported app…? So much fo a spot on the team…</p>
<p>sigh</p>
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They are trying to get more depth on their team and get two athletes while on using one admin slot/tip/favor … save the slots for recruits who really need them.</p>
<p>When I applied to college I was a nice to have minor-minor recruit … coach encouraged my application and told me I was on the team if I got it … I got in and there 5-7 other folks with almost the exact same HS sports accomplishments … and I can’t imagine how many others did not get accepted … none of us were destined to be stars but some of us were solid contributors to the team.</p>