<p>What schools do you think are most comprable to Stanford?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>duke.</p>
<p>the issue i have with stanford is that it's like 55% in state, whereas other schools of similar status are <15%, while stanford still maintains an 11% acceptance rate, although its SAT scores are not really as high as they should be.</p>
<p>aka stanford is good because of california.</p>
<p>from out of state, stanford is the equivalent of a school like duke, or upenn.</p>
<p>Definitely Duke.</p>
<p>yale, harvard, princeton</p>
<p>berkeley, yale, princeton, mit, and harvard...</p>
<p>Yale:
SAT 25th-75th percentile: 1390-1580
% out of state: 93</p>
<p>Harvard:
SAT 25th-75th percentile: 1390-1590
% out of state: 86</p>
<p>Princeton:
SAT 25th-75th percentile: 1370-1590
% out of state: 84</p>
<p>Stanford:
SAT 25th-75th percentile: 1340-1540
% out of state: 56</p>
<p>which is the odd man out?</p>
<p>Then let's compare here:</p>
<p>Duke:
SAT 25th-75th percentile: 1380-1550
% out of state: 85</p>
<p>UPenn:
SAT 25th-75th percentile:1330-1510
% out of state: 81</p>
<p>now, which group do you think it fits in? Duke actually has BETTER SAT scores than Stanford. Stanford's test scores are not even CLOSE to harvard, princeton, yale.</p>
<p>That's because Stanford doesn't weigh test scores as heavily</p>
<p>elsijfdl,</p>
<p>The percentile difference is almost nothing. I think that 50 points at that level isn't even a 1 point drop.</p>
<p>if 50 points is "almost nothing," ten points is even less, thus it is much closer to duke and upenn.</p>
<p>i never argued that stanford wasn't a good school, or that differences at this level of academia aren't very slight. "Isn't even close" is a relative term. At these levels, missing 50 points on the SAT qualifies as being 'not even close.'</p>
<p>Well, there's more to the quality of a student body than just the SAT, and it's important to put the entire package into context.</p>
<p>As an overall institution, it's clear that Stanford is stronger in most things than both Penn and Duke.</p>
<p>It's the same idea as in the Michigan/Northwestern thread</p>
<p>Does Michigan have just as strong of academic offerings as Northwestern? Probably. But would you say they were peer schools? Probably not.</p>
<p>The difference again is in the quality of the student bodies.</p>
<p>Agreed that Stanford is stronger than Duke, but Duke is easily the most Stanford-ish school on the East Coast. Both have big-time athletics, enormous, outdoorsy campuses, nearby tech industry, laid-back students, warm weather...</p>
<p>The term "peer institution" is so loaded, however. What exactly is meant by that? Is it the quality of the student body? The research? The goals? The ranking? The department's numbers of accolades?</p>
<p>Clearly, Stanford competes with other top schools for a similar student body, a similar faculty, and a similar academic niche.</p>
<p>The idea that 50 points on the SAT precludes Stanford, or Penn or Duke for that matter, from being a peer institution with Harvard and Yale is, to my mind, absurd. They're clearly on the same level.</p>
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The idea that 50 points on the SAT precludes Stanford, or Penn or Duke for that matter, from being a peer institution with Harvard and Yale is, to my mind, absurd. They're clearly on the same level.
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<p>i think at this level making such distinctions is simply arbitrarily splitting hairs, but i would contend that the 50 point dropoff marks a distinct tier between the HYP group and the Stanford Duke Penn one</p>
<p>But is it not curious that Stanford is every bit as competitive as those top-of-the-top schools like Princeton, MIT, Yale, etc? I think that would simply point to a lesser focus on test scores rather than a less talented student body.</p>
<p>11% is very close to 10%(Princeton) and 9%(Yale), and [marginally] more selective than 13%(MIT).</p>
<p>I think by excluding Stanford from the very tip of the most elite schools, you are being unjust to the university and placing far too much weight on SAT scores, which, as we all know, can be practically bought nowadays through test-prep.</p>
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"11% is very close to 10%(Princeton) and 9%(Yale), and [marginally] more selective than 13%(MIT)"
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<p>like i said though, stanford is almost 50% in-state, therefore i contended that the acceptance rate is only so low because everyone in the state of california is in competition to go there, while from out of state it would be put on the same level as duke, or upenn.</p>
<p>I don't follow that logic. Stanford, like Duke, is simply more loyal to its roots as a Californian school than the other elites (HYP) are. There's no doubt in my mind that there are enough ultra-talented students in highly populated Californian to easily fill the top 10 schools in the nation entirely. It's just that schools like HYP are more focused on achieving geographical diversity, so they spread their acceptances out, while Stanford focuses on getting the same quality students from just one location.</p>
<p>I agree with elsijfdl. Most kids from California will apply to atleast one "reach", which is more often Stanford than not. If you are from NC or PA, it would be about as difficult to get into Stanford as if you were from CA and trying to get into Duke or uPenn. </p>
<pre><code> OP Duke atmosphere is most like Stanford and IMHO Stanford's prestige is in the same tier as uPenn, Duke, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and MIT.
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<p>And most kids from the northeast will apply to at least one "reach" school as well, which will be Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. I don't see your point.</p>
<p>Luxar3000, seriously, Stanford is just as crazy about geographical diversity as all the other elites. You are under estimating the true size of California and the number of well-off families who can make their kids competitive for elite admissions. And when Stanford fills each class most of the rich donor's kids, alumni kids, and professor's kids all hail from California</p>