<p>Yeah he didn't mean any racism with his comments, he was just speaking his mind about the major change college will be in terms of the ethnic and racial make up.</p>
<p>Actually, the world is 0.25 percent Jewish (assuming 1.5<em>10^6 Jews, 6</em>10^6 People). About 10% of New Yorkers are Jewish. And I honestly didn't know college was supposed to prepare you for the real world, because I'd sure like all my meals cooked and frat parties when I graduate!</p>
<p>Thinkjose: It's not that frat parties are bad. It's just that they are all the same and after about 2 months you get sick of them. </p>
<p>Allezlesbleus: I really don't care about the anti-intellectual atmosphere. Like you and most whartonites, I'm at Wharton so that i can make a buttload of money when I graduate. Seeing as how I'm half Swiss I feel the need to tell you that we will eliminate les bleus. :) Ok just kidding, I'm kind of dreaming there. </p>
<p>Saila: Most people move off campus sophomore or junior year. There is some school spirit - especially with sports - but in general people are proud to be at such a great school (although this can lead to arrogance). If you're not interested in the greek scene, there are always clubs you can go to downtown, apartment parties off campus, secret society parties (for internationals I'd def recommend Owls - they throw kick ass parties). </p>
<p>happygolucky: I'm definitely happy at Penn. There are very few negatives compared to the positives at Penn. I love Penn but I felt the need to tell people some of the negatives I've seen because it seems that everyone has this idea that the university that they got into is perfect (I thought this when I got into Penn - you don't really notice the negatives, you're usually too overwhelmed by the positives.).</p>
<p>See you all next year!!! If I were all of you I'd go and buy a pair of nantucket reds and lots of polos with popable collars. :)</p>
<p>*ollege is supposed to prepare you for the real world. The real world is not 31% Jewish. It's 2.5 times 10 to the negative six power Jewish.</p>
<p>Coming from a background where pretty much everyone I know is Catholic, going to a school where Catholics are largely underrepresented and Jews are overrly represented is a big change. Look at a post above - I'm not the only one. That is a bad thing for me.*</p>
<p>It's not a bad thing, because you shouldn't even be concerned with that kind of outward issue. Y'know, judge not a man by the color of his skin and all that?</p>
<p>September 7, 2005 in the Daily Pennsylvanian:</p>
<p>Penn freshman "Chocoman" has founded a new society at Penn: The Hitler Youth of the University of Pennsylvania. Now, aside from any standards knee jerk reactions to this, such as: "OMG, a racist!", "This man is a new hitler!", and "It's about time!" , there is an astonishing response to the creation of this "cult": Only 31% of the university student body is opposing it! And, they all have something in common!</p>
<p>"He's just a naive idiot," said Penn student "Ilovepoker", doing his part to assess the situation. It's good to see mature responses in action at a #4 ranked Ivy League school.</p>
<p>And in fact, the majority not only don't oppose this establishment, but they have joined its ranks! Approximately 69% of the University student body has joined the Hitler Youth of the University of Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>Is there a connection between 69% and the symbolism of 69 as a position of blissful mutual oral sex? The way Penn students have been getting on the weekends, evidence points to a yes. But wait- haven't the Jewish population at Penn also been doing their part to promote a kinky weekend atmosphere? They have! It appears that all parties have something in common- all 100% of the Penn student body loves oral sex!</p>
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<p>You're all diseased... I hope there's a nice clique of unreligious people that I'll be able to hang out with who won't throw down the wrath of god and the turmoils of an oppressed people because someone casually mentions that the population of a certain religious group at Penn is higher than it is in reality.</p>
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Unrelated, but I'm all in favor of bern publishing a weekly list of parties once we all get to penn. I'm stoked- and i will even do stuff with jewish women. <em>gasp</em>! bridging the gap</p>
<p>hark... blasphemy... i will not hear bad things of penn!</p>
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September 7, 2005 in the Daily Pennsylvanian:</p>
<p>Penn freshman "Chocoman" has founded a new society at Penn: The Hitler Youth of the University of Pennsylvania. Now, aside from any standards knee jerk reactions to this, such as: "OMG, a racist!", "This man is a new hitler!", and "It's about time!" , there is an astonishing response to the creation of this "cult": Only 31% of the university student body is opposing it! And, they all have something in common!</p>
<p>"He's just a naive idiot," said Penn student "Ilovepoker", doing his part to assess the situation. It's good to see mature responses in action at a #4 ranked Ivy League school.</p>
<p>And in fact, the majority not only don't oppose this establishment, but they have joined its ranks! Approximately 69% of the University student body has joined the Hitler Youth of the University of Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>Is there a connection between 69% and the symbolism of 69 as a position of blissful mutual oral sex? The way Penn students have been getting on the weekends, evidence points to a yes. But wait- haven't the Jewish population at Penn also been doing their part to promote a kinky weekend atmosphere? They have! It appears that all parties have something in common- all 100% of the Penn student body loves oral sex!
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<p>lol if that's true... haha... a lot of the kids at penn are jewish... that's why it does have another nickname...</p>
<p>i'll start by saying that i'm not necessarily defending chocoman because i don't really know his intentions. that said, i find it disappointing that there are so many jews at penn, too. and it's not because i'm in any way anti-semitic or racist; i have quite a few jewish friends. it's not the fact that they're jewish that bothers me, just the fact that one ethnic group is so overrepresented. i want to meet as many people with different backgrounds and perspectives as possible in college, and i wouldn't want any group, including whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, jews, indians, atheists, etc. to be overrepresented. would you be happy if more than a third of the kids on campus came from buffalo and didn't have anything to offer outside of that narrow scope of knowledge? and don't even try to play the oppression card - that's so annoying, ignorant, and ridiculous. every single ethnic group and nationality has been persecuted at some point throughout history. if you have a persecution complex, that's your problem, not chocoman's or mine.</p>
<p>There are very few good fraternity parties, and it doesn't take two months to grow tired of them. More like two days. And don't be mistaken - the so called "secret societies" are really just fraternities who have lost their affiliation with the university.</p>
<p>As for the anti-intellectual athmosphere - it depends on where you look. As a Whartonite not interested in an intellectual atmosphere, it is not surprising that Bern has not seen it. But I can tell you, if you want intellectualism, it is there. There are tons of good guest-speakers coming to campus each week - just a couple of days ago one of the foremost researchers in string-theory spoke at the university. And the Philomathean society has regular intellectual discussions and afternoon teas with prominent Penn professors. Simply put: whether Penn has an intellectual atmosphere is entirely up to you - it will be intellectual if you want it to be.</p>
<p>This thread got really interesting, really quickly.</p>
<p>yep yep it did</p>
<p>I honestly don't care if one ethnic group is more overrepresented at Penn than others. I do care when people are so self-absorbed and obsessed with political corectness that they shout "bigotry!" and "racism!" whenever they get the chance. Chocoman was not in any way being anti-semetic. He was simply making an accurate observation, that there is a large percentage of Jews at Penn, and said that moving from an almost 100% Catholic atmosphere to a place where there is a greater number of Jews would be a significant change. There is nothing anti-semetic about those comments. People are far too eager to analyze any mention of an ethnic group as racist or bigoted. On the flip side of the coin, there was nothing wrong in stating that Jews are very motivated and driven to succeed. Judging by the number of Jews in higher circles of education and in careers such as law and banking, this is also an accurate observation, NOT a bigoted comment. People need to pull their heads out of their asses.</p>
<p>One thing I don't like about Penn, and I know its somewhat racist, is the amount of Jews.</p>
<p>I could take, "So many Jews, wow..." or "I'm amazed how many Jews there are, it will be interesting for me." But to say you don't like it is bigoted.</p>
<p>This is hardly one of those PC moments, it's blatant bigotry.</p>
<p>UCLAri -- I agree. </p>
<p>Besides, with one exception, the Jewish people I know don't flaunt their religion at every opportunity they have. In a social situation you really couldn't distinguish them from my atheist, Christian, Hindu, or Muslim friends. It's really not the huge deal that everyone here makes it out to be.</p>
<p>UCLAri, I'll admit that saying you don't like it is a bigoted comment. I just think that people are often to quick to shout cries of bigotry. I'm sure that if Chocoman's or anyone else's comments sounded racist, they weren't intended to be. On a personal note, I am grateful that people of other ethnic groups are ousting the WASP dominance that has had a stranglehold on business and politics for decades. I'd prefer any majority over a WASP majority.</p>
<p>"One thing I don't like about Penn, and I know its somewhat racist, is the amount of Jews."</p>
<p>Not racist at all in my opinion. I come from the same place. I went to a catholic middle school. Pretty much only knew Muslims and Catholics. However, when I went to my current schools with high jewish population (25% or so I believe) I was a little cautious. I mean the only Jews I knew were the ultra conservative dark coated overly clothed one that lived around me. Guess what...i now have more jewish friends than anyone.</p>
<p>Its the same thing as the hebrew school guys saying "One thing i dont like about _________, is that it has too many Christians/Muslims etc". Please dont try and say this doesnt happen because my friends have given me first hand responses that they were indeed also cautious in nature. </p>
<p>Some people overanalyze a teensy bit too much. ;)</p>
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Its the same thing as the hebrew school guys saying "One thing i dont like about _________, is that it has too many Christians/Muslims etc". Please dont try and say this doesnt happen because my friends have given me first hand responses that they were indeed also cautious in nature.
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That's a ridiculous argument. Of course there are people of all religious persuasions who reason that way, but it's equally narrow-minded in each case. This is what happens when you start defining people by the categories they belong to (black, Jewish, Middle Eastern) instead of seeing them as individuals. Saying that you dislike or are uncomfortable with a certain group of people is discriminatory, and trying to argue otherwise is meaningless.</p>
<p>If I were to say I don't like my high school b/c there are too many catholics, or hispanics, or whatever, I would be racist. Not liking people because of their ethnicity or religion is racist.</p>
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would you be happy if more than a third of the kids on campus came from buffalo and didn't have anything to offer outside of that narrow scope of knowledge?
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<p>that wasn't the best analogy... despite the fact that 36% of the student body is jewish, they DO come from different backgrounds, places, families, etc.. the same factors that would make me different from my neighbors and the people I sit next to in school.</p>
<p>there are more facets to a personality than merely religion. those people have other knowledge, experiences, and opinions to offer. just because they're jewish does not, in any way, mean they have a "narrow scope of knowledge."</p>
<p>look, you shouldn't be politically correct when choosing a school. people know what they're comfortable with and what they're not, and they'll have to pay $40k for it. that being said, i'm transferring from penn, so I'd have to agree with bern's list of negatives. if you're a kid on financial aid, you need to really want that penn diploma, because they won't make it cheap, and the fin aid office is completely unhelpful. it's also hard to be someone who shops at target on a budget because a lot of people here wear designer everything. i think there's actually a "money" accent. of course, some of the richest kids are totally laid back and discreet. the classes are awesome though, and there are a lot of really smart cultured people that make it interesting. it just comes down to what it's worth to you.</p>
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Not liking people because of their ethnicity or religion is racist.
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Not liking people because of their ethnicity is racist.
Not liking people because of their religion is intolerant.
Religion has nothing to do with race.</p>