<p>what are the top 10 universities (UCs and CSUs) for business administrations? business economics? are those two the same degree?</p>
<p>UC-Berkeley
UCLA
UCSD
USC
UCI
UCSB
UCD</p>
<p>Berkeley's Hass school of business is definitely in the top level of the pryamid. Then goes to USC for business.</p>
<p>Many of the ucs don't offer business.</p>
<p>As for business econ, it is offered by some institutions throughout the uc system.
(Me being an econ major)
I chose UCLA(business econ) and CAL(economics) as my top two.</p>
<p>Safetys:
UCSB(business econ, Professor Kyland is the 2004 noble prize winner in economics)
UCI(business econ)</p>
<p>Many argue that economics doesn't vary much throughout the uc system. But I beg to differ due to corporate regions. Berkeley with its name and reputation for rigorious work is good enough to land a good job up north. While USC & UCLA is home to recruitment by the Big 4 accounting firms in the nation. So to boil the decisions down, it was a matter of job opportunities weighted with the school's reputation of rigorious work. In addition, UCLA provides students with the opportunity to minor in accounting and prepare for the cpa examination, which is a good addon to being an economics major.</p>
<p>For CSU's, at least according to US News, which everybody here seems to refer to, the only 4 CSU's among the top undergraduate business schools for 2006 rank in this order:</p>
<p>1) San Diego State
2) Cal State L.A.
3) San Jose State
4) Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo</p>
<p>UCI has a good business school also.
They just opened the 3-2 Business program, which offers every major. But personally, I do not know what it exactly does.</p>
<p>Just to add on....as mentioned in other threads, the CSU system is geared more towards undergraduate business than graduate. For graduate studies, the UC schools should be your choice.</p>
<p>Also, business econ. and business admin. are different degrees. Bus. Admin. is more applied (more practical) and Bus. Econ. is more theoretically based.</p>
<p>2987,
with all due respect to JP, there is absolutely no way you can exclude the Anderson School of Management at UCLA from any elite group lest you want to confine yourself to the top two or three in the nation. some polls put anderson ahead of haas, though marshall (USC) has been moving rapidly upward.</p>
<p>as one who has been a professor of business in both systems, i would offer you this list as a guideline from the inside evaluating OVERALL quality of programs (both undergraduate and graduate). please be advised that many UCs have no real undergraduate business programs.</p>
<ol>
<li> Anderson/Haas (virtual dead heat)</li>
<li> Stanford</li>
<li> Marshall (USC)</li>
<li> Drucker (Claremont)
6, Mernage (UCI)</li>
<li> Rady (UCSD)</li>
<li> San Diego State</li>
<li> Leavey (Santa Clara)</li>
<li>Fullerton</li>
</ol>
<p>rady is the wild card here since it is new, yet this unit has hired some top guns from around the nation. i see this school having the potential to move into the top five soon. marshall could challenge both haas and anderson. it too is moving based on huge endowment boosts.</p>
<p>And now the top ten CSUs for business:</p>
<ol>
<li> San Diego State</li>
<li> Fullerton</li>
<li> (tie) Lucas (San Jose State) and Orfalea (SLO)</li>
<li> Long Beach State<br></li>
<li> San Francisco State</li>
<li> Cal Poly Pomona</li>
<li> Chico State</li>
<li> Los Angeles</li>
<li>San Marcos</li>
</ol>
<p>San Diego is clearly the best in the second group, though fullerton is building a new state of the art complex now. san jose could move up with the $10 million the Lucas family just gave. CSULA is lower because the university is relatively weak overall.</p>
<p>i am not qualified to address econ programs though my wife earned her ph.d. from claremont in this field and perhaps might weigh in subsequently.</p>
<p>yes, i anticipate these lists will elicit considerable commentary and debate. take these as opinions only, though measured, and not merely anecdotal, ones please be cautioned that few faculty or deans accept USNWR data as the gospel truth.</p>
<p>drj: I was under the assumption the original poster meant undergraduate degrees, since not many ucs offer business admin undergrad degrees.</p>
<p>i gave an overall take based on the poster's question which did not specify. you have a pretty good feel for econ programs. my wife received her doctorate in financial econ and now specializes in behavioral finance.</p>
<p>How is Stanford behind UCLA Anderson and Haas? The only school Stanford GSB loses admits to is HBS. Haas and Anderson are both excellent but they are not at the same elite level as Stanford. </p>
<p>Also, how is Rady a top 10 school since it only started about 2-3 years ago. The only way I can justify Rady in their is based on their average GMAT scores of 670 (full time) being far higher than SDSU, SCU and CSUF.</p>
<p>mike, the list is more than a year old. in that time rady has hired some studs from elite ivy league level schools, and much of what a program is about is its strength of faculty. then there is the strength of the university, clearly a top three UC. meanwhile, both csula and cp pomona have been in utter chaos. at csula they failed to find anybody to serve as dean while at pomona they have a dean who has chased half of the entire college away and left the rest with a morale level below zero. check out my rankings of CSU business programs on a related board.</p>
<p>I looked at Rady having hired some young Ph.D's from top programs(MIT, Wharton, Stanford) no doubt. However, many of them, as great as their pedigrees are, are still newly minted professors, many of which who recently received their Ph.D as of this year. </p>
<p>On another note, their dean formally from UNC Kenan Flager, which is a great program but still outside the sweet 16 of top business schools will not lead the school to a better ranking than what UNC or UT McCombs achieved. I see the school, at best, being near the level of CMU Tepper but still not able to get likes of top tier consulting or IB firms to recruit there.</p>
<p>Also, even if your list is over a year old, I still understand how Haas or Anderson were ever better than Stanford GSB within the last 20 years.</p>
<p>drj:</p>
<p>this is one of the funniest posts I've seen on cc. Stanford easily tops everyone else on the left coast. UCSD is a brand new school -- and should be unranked. btw; there is no n in Merage...</p>
<p>I believe Stanford tops OVERALL, but I have not heard them in any serious BUSINESS debate.</p>
<p>I can say that posting here for over a year, looking at ratings and what posters say, that HAAS is the best in Cali unquestionably, and Stanford/UCLA are fighting for second. Drj has a very valid argument in USC though, I too have noticed it moving up in strength of business program.</p>
<p>Haas is the best for undergraduate business because Stanford and UCLA do not offer it. USC Marshall is 2nd in undergrad business in CA but 4th in terms of a graduate level business education.</p>
<p>i have taught at both USC and UCLA, and though i agree that stanford has strength throughout its vaunted halls business is not among its own stated elite programs. the reason why USC is on the march is that president sample has raised almost five BILLION dollars (four of them in the NINE figure range), and you can buy a lot of quality for that kind of money. the leaventhal school really needs a serious upgrade in facilities, but both it (accounting) and marshall now can stand almost even in faculty quality with almost anybody. now SC is getting some of the best students to match its faculty. mike, you are right that rady has hired some young but elite guns. who on my list of a year ago would you place higher? most of the others are underfunded Cal States--good and sometimes near great faculty, but underfunded with weaker students. Santa Clara? no way. as far as the UCSD dean goes that's always a crap shoot until you see what that person can and will do. there was a lot of noise over in westwood when it hired the dean from penn state, hardly an elite business program, but she's done wonders there and kept anderson in the conversation in spite of marshall/USC's money blitz. were i dean at rady i would buy a world renowned senior professor, preferably the editor of an elite business journal.</p>
<p>Having a Michael Porter, Philip Kotler, or C. K. Prahalad would do wonders for any school. I think USC is close to UCLA overall, but until it gets recruiters from elite firms to recruit there like UCLA has, it won't be in the same league. The main thing for top students to come to elite programs are the types of jobs they can get and if M/B/B or top IBD don't recruit at Marshall, it won't be able to attract the same caliber of students as UCLA.</p>
<p>As for the UCLA dean, she has maintained the status quo nicely, however, she has not made significant strides to push UCLA above peer schools like Yale SOM, Cornell, Darden, NYU and Fuqua. UCLA is consensus top 15 school but can hit top 10 if it plays it's cards right. </p>
<p>Time will tell where Rady will rank, I suspect it will top out between top 25 to top 20. It will be a niche player in the high tech and entrepreneurial life science start up focused schools but weak in other areas like general management, finance, strategy and marketing that keep it from attracting the cream of the crop applicants.</p>
<p>i agree, mike, and i know two of them personally. and the elite level recruiters are now hitting the SC campus. as for UCLA judy has her hands tied given she heads a public institution lacking the endowment muscle of ivy league level privates and therefore must do more with less. that keeps anderson a notch below the whartons. you know your stuff, so you either are commenting from the inside of one of these programs or are a key alumnus of one of them.</p>
<p>The dynamic of this website is interesting...people get paid as political analysts, financial analysts etc. What is next- a university analyst?</p>
<p>you've done a nice job for us on san diego state and other so cal colleges, bell. keep up the good work! and we all work for free!</p>