<p>At our honors night, a university presented a student with a very good 4 year scholarship complete with travel money for summers. The presenter read out a list of "achievements" which led them to pick this student. Come to find out a lot of the things mentioned were not true. Students have been buzzing about this. Teachers were present and should know these things were not true.....the Moral delimma is that there may be a more qualified person who really needs this scholarship. This student is very wealthy, very bossy, has a lot of enemies in the school but not many stand up to her.....</p>
<p>Some of the untrue items were leadership roles....captain of jv soccer team, captain of varsity soccer team, captain of some other things....awards this person had received....</p>
<p>I don't have personal knowledge of this but was told by a student that it was being discussed around the school.</p>
<p>to notify or not?
shouldn't teachers have said something?
parents know this isn't true as well.
students know this student lied....</p>
<p>You should do nothing. You have no personal knowledge and only heard this through a student. Since many students hate this person, I wouldn't immediately believe what a student said about what is or isn't true. If things were false, teachers will notice, and one of them will probably talk to the GC. If these are actual lies, not just padding, then someone will report it. The GC should inform the scholarship committee. Action may or may not be taken by them. I do think that someone who is involved in the situation will report it. Since you don't know the student, what she has done, and weren't present at the assembly, I really don't think you should do anything.</p>
<p>Not sure if it is your place to intervene, maybe it is, hard to say. IF this just occured, Im sure the students will speak up to teachers/guidance cousnelors. </p>
<p>I have seen this type of kid, think they are cloned from year to year. Lying is wrong, padding accomplishments is also very wrong. It is a shame that this kid was enabled all these years to achieve greatness that is rightfully belongs to another child.</p>
<p>I don't plan on intervening. Many students are talking about it....but the faculty seems unconcerned with honor code violations (public h.s.) so they won't do anything. This was a scholarship applied for outside of school....directly with college.</p>
<p>Once this year a student stole HW of another students off the teachers desk and it was taken up by another teacher.....when the boy was caught copying it in class......nothing was done. At that point, my D lost respect for teachers and their rules....seems like if you are in the popular group they ignore such flagrant violations.</p>
<p>I am going to stay out of it...i was mostly wondering if you all thought students how were present and heard and know that they are false should keep their mouths shut. </p>
<p>You, your daughter/son, the other students, have nothing to gain from reporting something like this to an administration that looks the other way.</p>
<p>I often wonder what happens to people who have been given a pass during high school because they were favorites. Do they continue being annointed? What happens to them in the real world?</p>
<p>What you should do, however, is be sure to convey your point of view to your child. Let him know of other people like this you've seen in your life who have self-destructed. Marilee Jones, for one. Don't be silent about the situation to your child. </p>
<p>I might also consider writing an anonymous letter to the GC and/or to the scholarship committee. Seems to me they will be honor-bound to investigate. If you're wrong, and the person's activities are legitimate, then the person will retain the scholarship and you'll retain your dignity. But if you're right, the truth will come out.</p>
<p>I think it would be fine for students/teachers with first-hand knowledge raise it with the school counseling department. That department can confirm whether the items in contention are true or false and could raise it with the college. If the student is truly a lier and cheater they should have the scholarship withdrawn. It really should go to someone who truly deserves it.</p>
<p>A lot of the replies urging doing nothing are off base, IMO. The scholarship presenter read a list of qualifications in public. The OP heard the list and knows some are false. This isn't based on gossip. I agree with VeryHappy that an anonymous letter to the scholarship-granting organization is in order. It may choose to ignore the problem, but those who know about the scam have a duty to inform the victim.</p>
<p>You know the more one thinks of this, this kid that seems like a scholastic bully, no one has ever stopped them before, because nobody stood up. Perhaps their time has come to learn lifes hard lessons, you can't fabricate a life you did not lead. Perhaps the Varsity soccer captain has a say in this. I mean come on, saying your captain of Varsity soccer team with the true captain sitting right there?</p>
<p>My guess is that a school like this will let it slide because the student's "honor" in receiving this is also an "honor" for the school. It is not right. Espeically when the honors/positions held/etc are read OUT LOUD to an audience that knows some of these are false credentials. </p>
<p>What a horrible lesson to have students take away from this; that you can pad your resume and get ahead.</p>
<p>My mom would say that the students who were honest will eventually be rewarded in heaven with gold stars on their crown, and the others will not be so lucky. Somehow, that would not make me or my kid feel any better about this scenerio. </p>
<p>This student will be found out eventually, ala Marilee Jones. The higher they rise the harder the fall.</p>
<p>What is that old saying? Tyrants prosper where good people do nothing - or something like that. I, as teacher, have seen enough of this to turn my stomach. I do catch cheaters, and many others do, too. But what we go through when we do, in most cases, is parents screaming, calling in lawyers, etc. It has gotten to a point that many of us don't want to bother anymore. The flack is incredible! We know of a kid last year who got a full ride to state U - merit aid and scholarship. She had also qualified for a scholarship based on need, but didn't get it, since 10 qualified, but only 4 got it. THe kids were appalled. Others deserved to be on the list, not this kid. Someone tipped the counselors, who kept her name on the list, but we think the scholarship committee was also tipped off. The girl used info from her parents on her app, and the counselors didn't know the financials were all lies. Parents had bought a million dollar home and couldn't move in yet, because they had to spend about 300k in renovations - location, locaiton, location. But they used their old address, and father is self-employed and has lots of "expenses" in his business. A lot of cash purchases, there, tho, the house, too. Many trips overseas to family, as well. Nothing we could do. No way to prove anything, since someone said the house wasn't in their name, but in other family member's (one of the overseas relatives). Those people usually find a way. The anonymous letter, however, with follow up on the part of the college, will put the HS on notice. If they lie, and the college finds out, then they have hurt themselves with the school forever. If they are on the up-and-up it will retain its good standing with the college. Get that letter out there. If the girl deserves it, she will get it. If she doesn't, then she won't and right will out.</p>
<p>Oh this brings back dreadful memories of when my second son graduated in May 2005. There was a student that had been in ISS for cheating in three AP science classes, so not a "rumor" but a fact. It took the NHS sponsor three tries to over ride the principal so the student would not be able to wear the NHS collar at graduation. Unfortunately, the lack of intervention by the principal allowed this student to gather some very large scholarships, one for over $8,000, at the expense of other students who did not cheat. Furthermore the student was allowed to graduate in the top ten of the class, which had a bearing on many of the smaller, local scholarships. When very similar candidates apply, rank is used as a tie break.</p>
<p>It took over three years for the school board to change the school policy so that kids who cheat cannot profit from their behavior. The students tried first, then they involved parents, and it finally got up to the superintendent before being sent to the school board committee...where it languished for over two years. The cheater was long gone by then.</p>
<p>I am amazed at how many students on these threads say cheating is a fact of life, just deal with it.</p>
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It's gossip! Atlmom has no personal knowledge of it. How would you like anonymous letters, based on gossip, sent to your kids' colleges, or your boss, or your in-laws? If the info is factual, that's another story.</p>