<p>^Honors kids at UM are on the whole very legit. Definitely can contend with (at least) middle of the pack at HYPS. I would agree with the academically inclined comment as well (Ross kids want $$).</p>
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Funny because most of the Honors kids at UM were rejected by the likes of Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Duke, WashU and Chicago…how does that make then HYPS material exactly?</p>
<p>Actually lesdiablesbleus, most Honors kids were admitted into several of the schools you listed. Statistically speaking, the average Honors students at Michigan has a slightly higher GPA (3.9 unweighed), class rank (top 1%) and SAT/ACT (1480/34) than the average student at say Brown, Columbia or Penn.</p>
<p>Actually lesdiablesbleus, most Honors kids were admitted into several of the schools you listed. Statistically speaking, the average Honors students at Michigan has a slightly higher GPA (3.9 unweighed), class rank (top 1%) and SAT/ACT (1480/34) than the average student at say Brown, Columbia or Penn.</p>
<p>I want to see proof for the 1480 SAT/34 ACT number because there’s no way its true. I know students with much lower scores who were not only eventually admitted to but were actually invited to apply to Honors.</p>
<p>At any rate, there’s no way any Honors student would turn down the Ivies and similar private schools for Michigan unless finances were a major concern and they were in-state. It’s common knowledge that most New Yorkers treat Michigan as a backup to all the Ivies, Duke, JHU, good LACs, etc. In fact, for most people in Jersey, Michigan and BC are seen as a last resort for residents who can’t get in anywhere else and want to go somewhere better than Rutgers.</p>
<p>lesdiablesbleus, the minimum requirement for honors is 1400/32. In some exceptional cases, a student with slightly lower test scores will be considered, but that is far from the norm. LSA once or twice published Honors SAT/ACT averages a while ago (2005 I believe), and they were over 1460/33. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.lsa.umich.edu/umich/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=0fe43e3d89dc8110VgnVCM100000a3b1d38dRCRD&vgnextchannel=26530ae24f186110VgnVCM1000004701010aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default[/url]”>http://www.lsa.umich.edu/umich/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=0fe43e3d89dc8110VgnVCM100000a3b1d38dRCRD&vgnextchannel=26530ae24f186110VgnVCM1000004701010aRCRD&vgnextfmt=default</a></p>
<p>At any rate lesdiablesbleus there are many students at Michigan just like me, who chose Michigan over Ivy League schools at no discounted price because we believe it is better. Such students number in the hundreds at any point in time and are extremely pleased with their decision.</p>
<p>Here’s a newsflash, lesdiablesbleus, there is indeed a world outside of the northeast and excellent academic institutions do in fact exist in other areas of the country. And yes, both of my sons did turn down accepatances to those other Ivies and private schools for Michigan honors. Sometime it might be good for you to get out of the cloistered northeast mentality, you know?</p>
<p>Who cares? Either you want to be in the business school or you don’t.</p>
<p>lesdiablesblues,</p>
<p>My roommate got into Harvard, Yale, UChicago. Girl down the hall got into Northwestern and WashU. Girl across from her Princeton. Guy above me Princeton as well. Guy two doors over Cornell. Guy across from him Georgetown. Guy in my rival hall (and old high school buddy) Georgetown and UChicago. His roommate Harvard, Yale, Stanford. And those are just the people who have told me. I guess no one told them UMich should be the backup.</p>
<p>I also think that a lot of East coasters feel overwhelmed with Michigan’s size. They cannot fathom going to a school so big. The biggest school on the East Coast is Penn State and that is a 4-5 hour drive for most. They love the small NESCAC schools on the east coast like Amherst, Williams, Bowdin and Middlebury…all well under 5000 students.</p>
<p>I noticed nobody turned down Duke in the above mentioned lists to attend Michigan. I guess those people probably didn’t bother even applying to a school that academically isn’t any better than U-M.</p>
<p>“I also think that a lot of East coasters feel overwhelmed with Michigan’s size.”</p>
<p>Plenty of east coasters have attended Michigan for generations.</p>
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All lies…except the kids who turned down Gtown, Chicago, Northwestern and WashU which makes sense especially if the students in question were in-state.</p>
<p>No one in their right mind would turn down Harvard, Princeton, Stanford and Yale to go to Michigan UNLESS they were awarded the Shipman Scholarship. Even then, I doubt most Shipman Scholars would choose Michigan over HYPSM. THERE IS NO WAY that an out of state from say New York would pick Michigan over Harvard when Harvard would be significantly cheaper due to its amazing financial aid policy…and this isn’t even taking the vast difference in prestige and reputation into account. The same applies for YPSM.</p>
<p>As far as in-staters, why would you even apply to an Ivy League school from Michigan if you don’t plan on attending? ANSWER ME THAT GENIUS! You could just apply to Michigan EA and be done with the college application process if your sole goal was to go to UMich. The fact that in-state students take the time to fill out these applications for out of state schools means that they are very interested in attending should they be accepted. For a high school senior to make the conscious decision to leave the state of Michigan and apply to Yale but then renege on the acceptance offer to enroll at UMich, there would have to be a dramatic shift in thinking that can only result from an atrocious campus visit or something bizarre like that.</p>
<p>Conclusion: You are lying and no one turns down HYPSM for Michigan. The majority of those accepted to the next set of private schools probably turn down Michigan as well but there are those who don’t for financial reasons.</p>
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Yale isn’t academically better than Berkeley either, but that doesn’t stop all the cross admits at those schools from choosing Yale when given a choice. Duke offers a better UNDERGRADUATE EDUCATION than Michigan and Yale offers a better UNDERGRADUATE EDUCATION than Cal.</p>
<p>My sister turned down Princeton and Stanford for Michigan Electrical Engineering. No scholarship, nothing.</p>
<p>She turned down two better engineering schools that are cheaper for Michigan? Highly doubtful.</p>
<p>We’re instate. Main reason was the environment.</p>
<p>“She turned down two better engineering schools that are cheaper for Michigan? Highly doubtful.”</p>
<p>lesdiablesbleus, Michigan is in fact better than Princeton in Engineering…and neither Princeton or Stanford is cheaper than Michigan.</p>
<p>“Conclusion: You are lying and no one turns down HYPSM for Michigan. The majority of those accepted to the next set of private schools probably turn down Michigan as well but there are those who don’t for financial reasons.”</p>
<p>Wow. Out of 8,000 undergrads currently enrolled at Michigan that graduated with 4.0 uneighed GPAs, 1400+ SAT scores or 32+ ACT scores, not a single one of them was admitted into HYPSM? What are the odds?! LOL!</p>
<p>“I also think that a lot of East coasters feel overwhelmed with Michigan’s size. They cannot fathom going to a school so big. The biggest school on the East Coast is Penn State and that is a 4-5 hour drive for most. They love the small NESCAC schools on the east coast like Amherst, Williams, Bowdin and Middlebury…all well under 5000 students.”</p>
<p>False. The Northeast has plenty of schools that enroll more than 5,000 students – publics like the SUNYs and UConn and privates like Cornell and Penn.</p>
<p>I did not say that the Northeast does not have schools over 5000. I did say that they don’t have schools as big as Michigan and that the people here do consider schools of 17,000 to be quite large. UConn, Penn and Cornell are all under 17,000. Michigan is well thought of and a great reputation but is very intimidating in its size to many in the Northeast.</p>
<p>lesdiablesbleus,</p>
<p>Let me get this straight: when you’re sweeping generalization was proven wrong (as was inevitable), you call foul? The best you’ve got is “it’s all lies”? Tell me, did you pick up these expert argument skills at Duke? I do find it interesting how someone with no association with UMich goes out of his way to try and trash it. This is a thread about comparing programs within UMich – how the hell could you POSSIBLY think you have ANYTHING constructive or informative to say? Stick with the Duke forum and only open your mouth when you know what you’re talking about.</p>