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<p>LOL, lesdiablesbleus, thanks for this information. Now, we can put you on the ignore list.</p>
<p>Only Michigan’s enemies will post false and ridiculous claims about the university.</p>
<p>“This is completely false from what I’ve observed. Only at UM’s law, medical and business schools are its own undergrads more represented than Duke undergrads. Duke wins out by a wide margin at every other professional school with regards to medicine, law and business.”</p>
<p>Lesdiablesbleus, as much as you hate it, Michigan is as respected as Duke. When faced against a Michigan candidate, you will not be seen as better. I would not be surprised if more Duke students ended up at UVa, Georgetown and Duke Law school, anymore than I would expect more Michigan at Chicago, Michigan and Northwestern Law school. Law schools attract students regionally. Each year, over 30 Michigan students get into Duke Law and virtually none chose to enroll. That has nothing to do with the quality of Duke Law, but with regional preference. I would estimate that equal number of Duke and Michigan students attend Columbia, NYU, Penn, Cornell and Yale Law schools. </p>
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<p>That’s to say nothing of Michigan Law, which has over 150 Michigan students enrolled in it at any point in time, compared to 30 from Duke. That alone is a difference of 120 or so students enrolled at one of the top 10 Law schools.</p>
<p>In short lesdiablesbleus, there isn’t much of a difference in the number of Michigan and Duke students enrolled in top Law schools. Yes, Michigan is larger, but like I said, Michigan is not as pre-professional.</p>
<p>Bottom line, is Duke better than Michigan? Obviously not. Is a Duke student at an advantage over a Michigan student when applying to graduate school? again, clearly not. </p>
<p>“Alexandre, it’s not that Michigan lags in scholarship production this year, the problem is that UM CONSISTENTLY under performs in comparison the schools you wrongfully claim are its peers. The fact that UofM has produced less fellowship winners than Duke in basically every category means that it has never been able to enroll the truly top scholars in the country at any time AND that the university doesn’t offer the resources for the students to successfully pursue these opportunities which is worse in my opinion.”</p>
<p>Michigan has produced 26 Rhodes scholars, equal to Columbia and Cornell and more than Penn (19) or Northwestern (15). I would rather be compared to any of those schools than Duke to be honest with you. So by your reckoning, Michigan is better than Penn and Northwestern eh? But honestly, whether a university has procuded 15, 30, 45 or 60 Rhodes scholars over the past century is meaningless. That’s less than 1 scholar annually, which is inconsequential.</p>
<p>Like I said, the Fullbright is a better gauge for institutional quality, and even then, it has its limits. Michigan has produced 344, compared to Duke 238, Penn’s 213 and Cornell’s 203.</p>
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<p>“Kids at a lot of elite schools are no more stuck up than students at Michigan. In fact, my friends at Michigan often discredit and poke fun at MSU, OSU, Minnesota, <em>insert Big 10 public</em> all the time, but I don’t mind it because I know that Michigan is a much better school. However, none of them have ever compared Michigan to an Ivy and if they did, many of their coworkers and friends like myself would call them out on it as we should.”</p>
<p>Your coworkers and yourself are very classy. My younger Wolverines may be intimidated by the likes of you, but in a public debate, I would make you look very small. Your attitude would be shot down in a hurry in the adult world. I hope you grow up quickly, it is much later than you think.</p>
<p>“My parents went to Ohio State.”</p>
<p>lesdiablesbleus, you were raised in a family that genuinely hates Michigan. There is no way you can objectively discuss Michigan. I have never met a Spartan or Buckeye that can give Michigan its due. They respect the university, but not nearly as much as they should.</p>
<p>Notice hawkette and lesdiablesbleus both have connections to The University of Ohio State? How can anyone claim they’re impartial when they discuss Michigan?</p>
<p>Michigan has produced 26 Rhodes scholars, equal to Columbia and Cornell and more than Penn (19) or Northwestern (15). I would rather be compared to any of those schools than Duke to be honest with you.</p>
<p>Totally agree with you here Alexandre.</p>
<p>Why does anybody care so much about where you went to school? It’s almost as if people define their “worth” by a diploma from a certain institution. Seriously, who cares? Get a good education wherever you go, live a good life worth living, and that’s really all there is.</p>
<p>Blue devil, you’re in for alot of disappointment spending the rest of your life comparing yourself to others and trying to appear superior. There will always be someone else wealthier and smarter than you as well as plenty of others less wealthy, less smart, etc. I really do feel sorry for you.</p>
<p>Ginger2222, well said.</p>
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<p>advice everyone on this website need to hear…</p>
<p>To speak to the original question, as someone who was both a Michigan honors student and preadmit to Ross: The Ross preadmits were composed of MUCH ‘smarter’, more accomplished students. I didn’t even hesitate when I thought about it. </p>
<p>I believe that the Ross preadmits could most certainly contend with Ivy-league and possible even HYPS kids. Students in the honors program, as a whole… not so much. I think honors students are a lot more focused on their studies, but not necessarily brilliant or even academic. A good amount of the preadmits reminded me of the students I met from HYPS/others in a lot of ways.</p>
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<p>Appreciate the compliment, but you still need to reconsider your use of time. Why do you feel so strongly about this subject that you will come on to this board, repeatedly, to try to push your opinions, particularly if you’re pulling banking hours (i.e. you’re still at work, like me)? Do you do this on other schools’ forums? I wouldn’t know because I don’t have the time to (or even the slightest interest in) checking out other boards, let alone arguing with people on them. I glance at this forum and wso once a day (if that) because it’s a habit. Why the hell are you spending your precious free time coming on here? It’s like if Jets fans followed the Giants around the country and heckled them during away games.</p>
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<p>Well, that’s because that’s real life, as opposed to an anonymous message board. Many people on here would not speak in real life the way they do on here.</p>
<p>Based on the people I know at both schools, the average Duke student wins in intelligence, I’m not disputing that, but it just comes with the size of Michigan. If two equally intelligent/capable/driven students entered college, one to Michigan and one to Duke, there would likely be no significant difference between the students’ futures – and there are many of those such equals between M and D. Many of your comments on this thread are just outlandish (the “lies” comment, the “most Honors kids rejected by comparable good schools” comment, the sweeping generalizations: “no kid would ever…”). And I’m not one of the people who has a crush on Michgian.</p>
<p>Aright, I need to pump out the rest of these comps.</p>
<p>“I need to pump out the rest of these comps”</p>
<p>REMEMBER TO ADD BACK NON RECURRING CHARGES!!!111oneone</p>
<p>Well I guess he only likes bearcats now. :-)</p>
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<p>Spreading comps is far from just calculating EBITDA… hope you knew that if you’re trying to make finance jokes…</p>