<p>...if a school over admits and has more students accepted than they planned for (Because they banked on people not coming even though they were accepted)?</p>
<p>things are tight and they probably have triples for a bit – it happens.</p>
<p>thanks hsmomstef; it seems like a lot of schools may have over admitted this year.</p>
<p>How do you know?</p>
<p>Deerfield admission rep told me…</p>
<p>yay! i want a roomie anyway…</p>
<p>piano, can you PM me your name so we can be FB friends? There aren’t many people on CC that are going to Middlesex.</p>
<p>I don’t think they overadmitted - Andover didn’t anyway. Their admissions stats are just like any other year - with the exception of selectivity which has shot up with the recent boom in applications. The number admitted is not many much more than any other year. This could just be because Andover remains need-blind and expects more people to accept their offers because they are financially feasible, I don’t know.</p>
<p>Why is andover, with an endowment of about 600M after the current decline, need blind, and Exeter, with an endowment of 800M, openly need aware? Is it possible that Andover is really not need blind? And remember that “need blind” is a relative term. It means one thing one day, and another the next.</p>
<p>“We over admitted”, is the “party line” to make the waitlist peeps feel better. These guys rarely over admit.
The problem will be next year when returning FP students’ parents can’t come up with the full 44k for sophomore year. Then what do the schools do?</p>
<p>Pan, not you now too!</p>
<p>We’ve gone over this. It’s impossible that under the public eye and so much pressure to remain open and unfazed by scrutiny that Andover would pretend to uphold a need-blind policy. Need blind has always had the same definition - they do not look at financial status when rendering an admission decision. If a candidate is accepted, they’re accepted.</p>
<p>Once again, I’ll use myself as an example. I never, ever would have pictured myself as a student worthy of a 95% scholarship from such a great school. Hell, if I were admissions officers I’d take one look at me and immediately decide to give my financial aid to the kid from Nicaragua - not the middle class boy who’s been going to private school his whole life courtesy of the fact that both of his parents teach at said school.</p>
<p>Exeter, as we’ve already established, is a completely different story. Look at their stats - they admitted 40% of the FP applicants. And 7% of the FA applicants. To me, there is something wrong with that picture. Please, nobody tell me that I have a chip on my shoulder against the rich. I’m fully aware that in all likelihood I’ll be rooming with someone whose parents have a six-figure income. I’m just angered at the fact that the current economic situation is being made such a huge crisis for the poor and not so much for the rich.</p>
<p>“If a candidate is accepted, they’re accepted.” Then how is it that the fraction of the matriculating class that benefits from FA is constant year-to-year?</p>
<p>I said that they were accepted - not that they were offered financial aid.</p>
<p>Aha! So how much good does it to to them if they get accepted and nonetheless do not get the aid they need to attend? Is that what they call accept-deny? Isn’t that equivalent to a rejection at the outset?</p>
<p>That depends on the abilities of the parents to come up with enough money. For example, if I had gotten up to $3,000 less aid than we needed, my parents could have taken up extra duties at work to come up with it.</p>
<p>So you concede that accepted FA applicants may be burdened with additional expectations if they are to attend. On the other hand, full pays are never asked to assume additional burdens. So the two categories of accepted applicants are treated differently. Is that your idea of need-blind?</p>
<p>Well what if that isn’t possible? For example:</p>
<p>Had I been admitted to MX with no FA, AND hadn’t had such special circumstances (which is the only reason that BS crossed our minds anyway, but that’s another story entirely), there would be no way for me to attend. My father cannot take up extra duties in his place of employment, and my mother has my baby brother to take care of. Unless we took out some sort of student loan (rather unwise in the present economic situation), there would be no way we could afford bs.</p>
<p>Everything beyond the acceptance and aid is up to the family - at that point, you can hardly expect the school to help the parents in getting extra jobs. Unfortunately, it’s inevitable that within the prep school world and, of course, outside, that those with less money will always be more financially burdened.</p>
<p>So yes, FA applicants may be burdened with additional expectations. And yes, that is my idea of need-blind. What else do you expect the schools to do?</p>
<p>Pan1956, supposedly,“With a “need blind” admission program, Andover will extend its resources to offer admission to every qualified young person regardless of their families’ ability to pay the cost of an Andover education and we are proud to say that we meet 100 percent of each admitted student’s demonstrated financial need.” So 100% need of admitted students is always met by the school. Of course, that doesn’t explain why percentages of students on aid remain constant year to year. However, the need-blind was achieved only from 2008, so this is just the second year. It’s too early to generalize it’ll stay constant.</p>
<p>In reality, I know more than 100% of the need of many families were facilitated by the school to make sure the students they choose can attend the school.</p>
<p>Get these parents to work! Receptionists, in the kitchen, as assistant coaches, Tupperware fund raisers…you name it!</p>
<p>Some of you may remember the Collins twins (basketball phenoms). While at Harvard-Westlake their mother worked as a receptionist for four years. The rest is history.</p>
<p>Of course, Sarum, so you think it would be the school’s responsibility to coerce the parents into alternate or additional professions? I’d say that’s up to the family…</p>