I’m an international applicant interested in apply to CU under the school of art, but I can’t seem to find much about student life or works online. PLEASE ADVICE!
Is CU a good school for nurturing art students? With the whole controversy around tuition fees, the board, tension between student and upper management seem to be fever-pitch…
What is the student life like?
How are the faculty members like? Are they supportive or snobbish?
Are the facilities good? How are the technical support?
The school has a LOT of serious issues. Frankly, the financial crisis the school is facing is real and unlikely to change anytime in the near future. Further, it seems to be used to explain away the MANY issues the school has with the way it is ran, and interacts with students. At the end of the day, our experience was such that I can NOT recommend this facility to anyone. In most cases , after adding in room and board the cost is not justified for what you get and there are far better schools with real campuses and amenities not to mention stellar accomplished faculty.
both! our interactions were with the art school specifically. Believe me , there are MUCH better options
available.
@stircrazydad please disregard what stones3 says. He/she has been going around the forum bashing on every college that’s not TCNJ or VCUArts
I do not know this Coldsummer123 person but if they would like to respond with some useful information about CU that would be welcome. Meanwhile I can assure the OP that I speak from personal first hand experience of CU. you may PM should you wish .
As for claims that I bash schools , that is a far fetched idea. I do support both TCNJ and VCUARTS and I do regularly post about all the accolades of each school as I am very very impressed with both. That hardly qualifies as this outrageous (misinformative) notion that I “bash every school” utter nonsense.
Leaving aside “personal first hand experience,” and in all fairness to @stones3, Cooper Union began charging tuition back in 2013 due to a financial crisis apparently brought on by profligate spending and unwise investments and borrowing. A consent decree agreed upon under the auspices of the NYS AG’s office, put in place monitors and other watchdog systems to attempt to rein-in the school and, hopefully, restore it to it’s tuition-fee status.
Cooper Union’s fiscal issues aside, however, I am not aware of any evidence to suggest that the school’s elite level of education and professorship has been substantially or irreparably damaged. Fiscal crises such as this obviously don’t help a school’s reputation and can certainly be a deterrent to applicants, but I am not privy to any empirical evidence to suggest that this is the case. As proposed to @Coldsummer123 above, will be most interested ( @stones3 ), if you “…would like to respond with some useful information about CU…” other than your personal opinion and citing of anecdotal (assuming that is your source) data.
Have to laugh (totally agree with @Coldsummer123 's assessment above), when you acknowledge regularly posting accolades because you are very impressed. Do you do this for all schools or just the ones at which your kids attend?
if cold summer would like to PM I would be happy to share personal experience. As in my D was invited and attended classes there for a year in two of their programs for gifted HS students . If BrooklynRye has better first hand knowledge it might be helpful to actually share, rather than to just smugly knock .
Lol. You lodged a wholly unsubstantiated criticism of an elite undergraduate school. You didn’t even provide the factual background of circumstances at Cooper Union to at least add a grain of substance to your post. I responded, providing factual information. I claim no firsthand knowledge.
You, on the other hand, also provide no firsthand knowledge. Rather you are venting opinion based on a high school student’s experience in two classes. My daughter also did a wealth of these “gifted HS students” classes at NYC art schools including at FIT, Parsons and at SVA. If we based our evaluation of these schools on such classes, we would doubt the sophistication, seriousness and depth of these fine schools. But we don’t. We take them for what they are. Experimentation, experience and hopefully some new skills.
“The school has a LOT of serious issues” – What are they and why are they serious? What does this even mean?
“Frankly, the financial crisis the school is facing is real and unlikely to change anytime in the near future” - Really? On what do you base this opinion? I bet you were not even aware of the loan issues, the Consent Decree or of the monitors put into place. How on earth do you have any idea whatsoever that circumstances are unlikely to change? Have you read any part of the Consent Decree? Are you aware of The Committee to Save Cooper Union? Do you in fact know anything, anything at all, about this process? I think not.
“Further, it seems to be used to explain away the MANY issues the school has with the way it is ran, and interacts with students” - When was this done? My sense is that your opinion is based entirely on anecdotal experience none of which includes hard facts, numbers or data of any kind.
“At the end of the day, our experience was such that I can NOT recommend this facility to anyone” - Per usual, you provide not one shred of evidence to back your extreme statements. In this case, where opinion may actually be valid, you don’t even provide an example.
“In most cases, after adding in room and board the cost is not justified for what you get and there are far better schools with real campuses and amenities not to mention stellar accomplished faculty” - Only thing missing from this totally unsubstantiated claim is your usual pitch for VCUArts. So transparent, you are…
for some unknown reason you seem to be making this personal , sadly it certainly reads that way. I wish your daughter all the success in the world . Though you shouldn’t be taking this so personally . My personal experience is valid and I offer to share it with the OP and serious people looking for actual real world experience in this instance. Unfortunatley it was ultimately a negative experience. I am sorry you think that actual experience is not a valid point. And frankly I am surprised you have so obviously not done any real research into CU , if you had I am sure you would be comparing it to RISD and MICA and you would know that the greatest asset CU had was FREE tuition! For a school with nearly no campus, no housing, few if any amenities , it is
extremely difficult to justify their current tuition and room/bard which combined are no bargin. A valid point. Having said that our poor experience was based upon interaction with the school not about tuition. Lastly I have no axe to grind with you and wish your D the best. Please respect the fact that our d did not intend or wish to have a poor experience with CU so i take no joy in this
Request for fact versus suspect opinion = Taking it personally. And yet, not one answer to any question…
so transparent you are and disingenuous. Enough already. HERE IT IS AGAIN, THE OP MAY PM ME TO DISCUSS
THE SPECIFICS OF OUR EXPERIENCE. And how is it not a fact that they lack a campus, amenities,
and board? How is it not a fact that tuition is $20000 plus fees plus room and board= for most comparing to other college experiences with no financial aid (because we don’t qualify)over $40,000
ITs a fact. CU for free =a great wonderful deal, CU for over $40000 per year= eh.
Feel free to respond to any or all…Or is this only for the chosen few to whom you respond in private? You post unsubstantiated public criticism, which you (doubtfully) back up in private messages. Interesting.
Oh, btw, not that you would know this. Effective 2014, all students receive an automatic 50% scholarship. So the $40k you cite is actually $20k. The funny thing is, without knowing you personally, I know that you are not being deliberately misleading. You are just ignorant.
Considering that the primary criticism of the school is its current lack of funded tuition, am particularly interested in your response to question 2…
“The school has a LOT of serious issues” – What are they and why are they serious? What does this even mean?
“Frankly, the financial crisis the school is facing is real and unlikely to change anytime in the near future” - Really? On what do you base this opinion? I bet you were not even aware of the loan issues, the Consent Decree or of the monitors put into place. How on earth do you have any idea whatsoever that circumstances are unlikely to change? Have you read any part of the Consent Decree? Are you aware of The Committee to Save Cooper Union? Do you in fact know anything, anything at all, about this process? I think not.
“Further, it seems to be used to explain away the MANY issues the school has with the way it is ran, and interacts with students” - When was this done? My sense is that your opinion is based entirely on anecdotal experience none of which includes hard facts, numbers or data of any kind.
“At the end of the day, our experience was such that I can NOT recommend this facility to anyone” - Per usual, you provide not one shred of evidence to back your extreme statements. In this case, where opinion may actually be valid, you don’t even provide an example.
“In most cases, after adding in room and board the cost is not justified for what you get and there are far better schools with real campuses and amenities not to mention stellar accomplished faculty” - Only thing missing from this totally unsubstantiated claim is your usual pitch for VCUArts. So transparent, you are…
per usual i get the distinct impression you are just trolling and not providing any real or even helpful information. Which is really a step up from the misinformation you famously provided previously in the discourse on VCUARTS. I guess you’re hoping enough time has past that i/we no longer recall your previous attacks. Rest assured, we remember.
false tuition numbers, false employment and recruitment numbers–lol. And while funding is an issue for a FACT at CU i have repeatedly stated our poor experience was in fact with the faculty and the administration. YOu continue to ignore or you just choose not to comprehend. Please stop trolling , thank you in advance for your cooperation.
I too have seen @stones3 constant bashing of Cooper and wonder now after these few posts in this thread that maybe her daughter wasn’t accepted to Cooper’s undergraduate art school. Is this where it’s coming from? My son is very happy in the engineering school. The teachers are hard, but they learn a lot and that’s why the school has such a great reputation for its graduates. Also, they gave him additional merit scholarships so he receives more that the 20k per year, which I hear is fairly common. When someone brings up ‘they only give a half scholarship’ I chuckle and wonder to myself how much their child got in scholarships to any school. I think a half tuition scholarship is great and when more is added it only makes the school more attractive. It’s not the right school for everyone but that’s why there are so many options for college. @stones3 I think you need to move on from what ever is making you so angry.
@jimbobcharlie - From the Cooper Union website:
The cost of tuition at The Cooper Union for the 2016-2017 academic year is $42,000. Starting in the Fall of 2014, all students enrolling for the first time at Cooper Union receive a half-tuition scholarship currently worth $21,000 per year ($10,500 per semester). Additional financial aid is provided to the least fortunate students to help cover tuition, housing, food, books, supplies etc.
It appears that this is for ALL undergraduate students. Congratulations to your son on an excellent choice of a very fine school and engineering program. S1 is at Columbia and has been downtown at NYU for events and parties. Sensational area!! Sure beats Ewing Township. 
@brooklynrye you’re correct, the tuition was 40k when he started, it’s now 42k, and they increase the amount every year so it is always at least 1/2 the current tuition. I don’t know of any other schools who increase merit aid year after year. His other scholarship from Cooper is the ‘innovator merit’ which was given solely on merit, but they do give some students additional financial aid up to a full tuition plus housing.
From what I understand and have read, this is apparently a large first step in returning to tuition-free. Guess time will tell. In any case, as you so correctly point out, while free is good, it is rare. 50% off is not too shabby…
nothing angry at all. The poster asked a question , I responded truthfully and always will. We had a poor experience with CU, how is that angry? Turns out it was a great thing as D is so very happy and just last night already heard about a summer internship for next year! so no, no one other than that Brooklyn fellow seems angry here. Doesn’t change fact , we had a poor experience that didn’t need to be such in any way.
in case you’re wondering , I have entered you on ignore so there will be no more taking of your bait.
Good luck to all. BTW D is very very happy at VCUARTS thanks for asking.
The poster asked a question. You responded by harshly criticizing an elite undergraduate art program based on the limited personal experience of a high school student. You supplied no specifics and clearly ventured opinions on subjects about which you have no first hand or knowledge of any kind. When pressed for specifics, you deferred to private messages rather than address the thread participants with whom you were all too willing to share your original opinions. You then turn this around as if you are being personally attacked, falling back on the age old saw that “your opinion is as good as anyone else”, all the while remaining silent on detail or basis for your opinion. Glad your daughter is happy (as you clearly are) with her choice and that she has received so much early recognition and opportunity. As for what you interpret as anger on my part, it is merely mild frustration with your utter disregard for accuracy, truth or any objectivity whatsoever in your comments on these various threads. Then again, you won’t see this post anyway…