What is going on? have people lost their minds?

<p>These are all great schools. You must look at the fit. I do know that Michigan must need the money because they let many people in from my high school this year, kids with 26 and 27s on their ACT. Even the counselors were shocked. Wisconsin was much harder to get into this year.</p>

<p>There are many other schools up there with Cornell that you did not mention… Wash U, Tufts, Northwestern, Emory…To each his own and no need to get upset…</p>

<p>I am not so sure about Tufts but I agree for the rest.</p>

<p>Hmmm, I know people who did not get into Tufts but got into Michigan, Emory and Cornell…</p>

<p>I’m sort of confused by some of the posts here. UCLA is a great school… I know a guy who picked it over HYPM for financial reasons. The reasons I ruled it out were its perception as being inferior to Cal (which I also got into and ruled out later) and the idiotic student representative who called me to encourage me to attend their open house. There are stupid people everywhere, yes, but this girl just took it to a new level. Absolutely no charisma and a very basic command of the English language. Ugh…</p>

<p>There are dumb people at UCLA for sure, but I also know some pretty smart people who were rejected.</p>

<p>But anyway, aren’t economics, biology, history, etc. the same at all top schools? What difference would there really be between Harvard and UCLA? The only department where I can see large differences being possible is political science/Government and public policy. It just seems like professor bias would impact this field the most, and it would help to have a famous one.</p>

<p>But of course, from what I’ve heard, Katzenstein is absolutely top-caliber, so that shouldn’t be an issue at Cornell. :slight_smile: </p>

<p>Where we do lose out is endowment. Schools like Cornell, Emory, Duke, etc. undeniably have smaller endowments than HYP. Princeton should be able to spend $80,000 more per student than us, assuming they really do spend 5% of the endowment per year. I don’t really know where it goes-- can’t all be to financial aid-- but it probably makes them superior in some way. Again, I don’t really know what exactly it is… But it’s probably something significant.</p>

<p>From what I’ve heard (from a Cornell Alum) is that Cornell gets looked down upon because a lot of the students who graduate have “lower” income during their first 5 years after college. This is mainly due to the fact that they join the Peace Corps or Doctors w/o Borders though…</p>

<p>" Hmmm, I know people who did not get into Tufts but got into Michigan, Emory and Cornell… "</p>

<p>Yeah I get it you go to Tufts. That story is anecdotal, and once again selectivity does not correspond with educational quality. This isn’t the place for your insecurities.</p>

<p>The endowment per student idea is a nice one, but colleges really don’t spend the endowments on a per student basis and different colleges have different policies on how they spend it. Cornell uses a lot of its endowments for new facilities/buildings constantly - another reason why it doesn’t get extremely high. I agree that if they DO ever spend it though for more than financial aid it would make a difference. Also, Cornell does have a lot of students -> therefore, a lot of financial aid.</p>

<p>" From what I’ve heard (from a Cornell Alum) is that Cornell gets looked down upon because a lot of the students who graduate have “lower” income during their first 5 years after college. This is mainly due to the fact that they join the Peace Corps or Doctors w/o Borders though…"</p>

<p>Not true.
Here’s several different sources:</p>

<p>[Lloyd’s</a> Investment Blog: College and Salary: “With Whom” You Study Matters as Much as “What” You Study](<a href=“http://lloydsinvestment.blogspot.com/2009/08/college-and-salary-with-whom-you-study.html]Lloyd’s”>Lloyd's Investment Blog: College and Salary: "With Whom" You Study Matters as Much as "What" You Study)
[Ivy</a> Leaguers’ Big Edge: Starting Pay - WSJ.com](<a href=“Ivy Leaguers' Big Edge: Starting Pay - WSJ”>Ivy Leaguers' Big Edge: Starting Pay - WSJ)
[Top</a> US Colleges ? Graduate Salary Statistics](<a href=“http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp]Top”>http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/top-us-colleges-graduate-salary-statistics.asp)
[<a href="http://www..com/ivy_league_compare.html%5B/url%5D">http://www..com/ivy_league_compare.html](<a href="http://www..com/ivy_league_compare.html">http://www..com/ivy_league_compare.html</a>)</a>
Replace the asterisks (*) with “students review”, 1 word without spaces</p>

<p>Edit: for simplicity I am just going to post it here.
Initials » Brown Columbia Cornell DC Harvard MIT Princeton UPENN Yale<br>
City » Providence New York Ithaca Hanover Cambridge Cambridge Princeton Philadelphia New Haven
State » RI NY NY NH MA MA NJ PA CT
Size » 7,723 19,639 19,100 5,495 24,279 • 10,090 6,668 21,853 11,136
F:M » 53.0:46.0 48.0:52.0 49.0:51.0 49.0:51.0 50.0:49.0 41.0:58.0 48.0:52.0 50.0:49.0 49.0:51.0
ACT » ~32.4 ~31.1 ~33.7 ~31.6 ~38.6 • ~34.5 ~35.4 ~32.9 ~36.8
SAT » ~1588.8 ~1551.3 ~1495.1 ~1595.4 ~1811.3 • ~1551.9 ~1682.2 ~1569.2 ~1608.1
Room » $7,876 $9,436 $9,933 • $8,217 $7,982 $6,900 $7,842 $8,224 $7,930
Instate » $27,856 $28,206 $30,167 • $27,171 $25,128 $25,000 $27,230 $27,988 $26,100
Outstate » $27,856 $28,206 $30,167 • $27,171 $25,128 $25,000 $27,230 $27,988 $26,100 </p>

<p>Education » A- B A- A • B+ A- A- A- A-
Innovation » A- • B B+ A- B+ B+ B+ B+ A-
Competitive » A- • B- B A- B B+ B+ B+ B+
Academic Success » A- • B A- A- B+ B+ A- A- A-
Usefulwork » A- • B A- A- B+ A- A- A- B+
Social Life » A- • B- B+ A- B- B B A- B+
Extra Curricular » A • B- A- A B+ A- B+ A- A-
Safety » B+ B A A • B+ A- A- B B+
Grounds » A- B+ A • A B+ C+ A- A- A-
Maintenance » A- B A- A • B+ B A- B+ A-
Friendliness » A- B- B+ A • B B+ B+ B+ A-
Faculty Accessibility » A- B B+ A • B B+ B+ B+ A-
Surrounding City » A- B+ B B- B+ A • B- A- B
Funding Use » A- B A- A- • B+ B+ A- B+ A-
Alumni » 48/19 yrs 18/14 yrs 69/18 yrs 27/14 yrs 36/13 yrs 30/22 yrs 37/19 yrs 30/18 yrs 36/15 yrs
Starting Salary » $62,321 $75,615 $54,904 $78,095 $38,824 $114,444 • $90,179 $50,542 $53,696
Current Salary » $269,355 $241,154 $208,868 $339,166 • $159,333 $234,210 $211,552 $151,925 $179,762
10yr Salary » $169,040 $190,573 $142,883 $270,059 • $132,972 $169,132 $152,742 $107,499 $135,557

GoingWell » 83.3% 61.1% 82.6% 77.8% 41.7% 86.7% • 73% 76.7% 52.8%
JobSatis » 85.4% • 55.6% 78.3% 74.1% 36.1% 70% 73% 73.3% 52.8%
American Indian » 1% 3% • 1% 2% 1% 1%
Asian » 14% 13% 20% 11% 14% 27% • 12% 18% 14%
Black » 6% 7% 5% 6% 7% 6% 8% • 6% 8%
Hispanic » 6% 7% 5% 6% 7% 11% • 8% 4% 8%
International » 7% 14% • 10% 5% 5% 9% 7% 8% 7%
White » 57% 46% 56% 61% 51% 34% 66% • 53% 52%
Unknown » 9% 13% 4% 10% 16% • 11% 10% 12% </p>

<p>Basically, the ivies are pretty comparable in terms of salary for graduated students outside of Harvard and Princeton (and Dartmouth, which is heavy, heavy on investment banking). Also, school quality is not directly correlated with salary either, so that should not be a metric of any sort.</p>

<p>Anyways, let’s move on because this sort of inflammatory thread attracts the worst types of people - insecure prefrosh</p>

<p>Colene, your attitude cracks me up. Keep up the faith. I see you mention insecurity in a number of posts…hmmm. You, like the other insecure posters, need to take a step back and get some perspective. Michigan is ranked just one spot before Tufts in US News & World report. Emory is just a few spaces higher. College counselors pick Tufts at #22, ahead of some of the universities you mentioned. You must have some bias for some reason…</p>

<p>Michigan’s engineering is amazing. Sorry but I don’t see any strength for Tufts. Enlighten me as to what Tufts is strong at.
Edit: Michigan is actually amazing in a lot of things. See, I wouldn’t even bother saying anything if that wasn’t your school. But it was and you were simply just trying to stick your school name in there - which is just you being insecure. It had nothing to do with your school, and you just had to drag it in. I was only defending the other schools because that is honestly how I feel - berk, rice, mich are all amazing schools too. Rankings do matter when there is a significant difference in like everything. Between like +/-5, not really but there is just nothing that catches my eye for Tufts.</p>

<p>Do you consider Illinois and Purdue to be better than Tufts too Colene just because they have “amazing” engineering programs? These schools are good at the graduate level and Michigan has excellent professional programs but at the undergraduate level, Michigan and Tufts are roughly equal. Tufts is much more undergraduate focused and has higher selectivity as well as a slightly smarter student body than Michigan.</p>

<p>Cornell’s faculty is as good as Michigan’s but it is significantly more selective, enrolls smarter students, and its graduates have greater postgraduate success. That is why it is better at the undergraduate level.</p>

<p>A Cornell degree will simply go further than an Emory, Tufts, or Michigan degree.</p>

<p>Grad dept. success trickles down to undergrad departments for sure. This is one of my considerations. That and UMich is really strong across many fields. Illinois and Purdue are strong in engineering but they kind of lack in other aspects, so I do not think they are as comparable. I really do think UMich is a great school, and there is not so much correlation as people think between selectivity and educational quality, as JHU shows, though it does matter quite a bit. I believe a Cornell degree simply goes further because of the connections you get - educational quality wise Cornell may be slightly ahead of say Mich and Berk in different fields but not enough to make a very significant difference. I honestly believe Mich is a bit underranked.</p>

<p>I love this thread! Dorian Mode, Colene is right–I’m not a Cornell student, I’m in high school in Houston. All I was saying was that Rice isn’t the ultimate achievement for college-bound Houstonians… pretty irrelevant to what everyone else is debating. I was only addressing someone else’s region analogy.</p>

<p>Colene: What exactly is a “prefrosh”? Is that internet forum jargon, or what? I’m afraid I am one…</p>

<p>I don’t think I ever addressed any of what you said, cornelliot. In fact, I pretty much ignored your post out of hand because my own experience as a student growing up near Houston was apparently quite the opposite of yours.</p>

<p>Right after I was talking about Rice, you said “as a Rice alum, you might think I would find this thread insulting.” Why, then, would being a Ricer change anything? I think Colene thought you were addressing me also. And where did you grow up, Liberty or Sharpstown or something like that? Nevermind, its irrelevant.</p>

<p>Ah, I see where the confusion comes in. The “as a Rice alum” qualifier was more intended to note the OP’s extreme dismay that Cornell could ever be compared to such a lowly school, and wasn’t prompted by your post in particular.</p>

<p>@Colene</p>

<p>So you’re saying of the 100 k per year in endowment revenues that Princeton makes PER student, they don’t even spend all of it? Or even a majority?</p>

<p>Cornell’s is pretty low at 5.28 billion, especially considering its size. I guess that would make sense if we were constantly spending rather than re-investing it…</p>

<p>I honestly don’t know about Princeton but Cornell is always making new buildings/ changes. Always. And really, most of that endowment would not ever, ever reach any average student for any of those schools except for financial aid. Once you step foot on the Cornell campus, you’ll find that it’s FAR from poor. Endowments do matter - if it’s ever spent in large amounts to reach individual students - and they don’t really spend it in obvious ways. What matters more for the student is the connections that are made. Cornell is far from lacking in that, but I feel that you’ll get easier access to the super-rich at harvard, princeton, and dartmouth than at the other ivies as shown in the links i posted several posts earlier. If you care about salaries, I’ve already made a post about that. And seriously, stop asking about HYP over the same things. It would be fine if you asked different things but you keep asking the same thing over and over and over again in different threads. You are an extreme, extreme case of an OCD prefrosh. Get over it or it’ll screw with your college life.</p>

<p>Oh and endowment/undergrad student idea - it’s pretty flawed because they don’t go directly to undergrad nor does any school ever spend that much on a student. Remember, you are paying to go to college, not them for you. Most endowments go to pay professors (especially tenured), fund building projects, investments (for an even bigger endowment), safekeeping as emergency money… tldr, not undergrads outside of financial aid. They’re too stingy for that. It’s already really nice that we are seeing so many projects going on in Cornell and progress going on with the NYC tech campus.
<a href=“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_endowment[/url]”>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_endowment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Believe me, 5.28 billion is A LOT of money - it will fill every inch of a 4000 sqft house from top to bottom with 100 dollar bills (100 such houses with one dollar bills :-)). Cornell is a rich school.</p>

<p>Yeah, sorry Colene. I am kind of a paranoid OCDer, lol.</p>

<p>Anyway, new question for you. How exactly does one go about networking and making connections? Is it just the same thing as making friends? Or do you have to join a business frat and a bunch of clubs or something? How do you secure an internship?</p>

<p>Also, are you pre-med or gunning for Wall Street?</p>

<p>Poster above me, 5.28 billion is a lot… But not when compared to 28 billion or 19 billion or 17 billion, lol.</p>

<p>I’ve always wondered the same thing, Colene. Are you a student? And am I the only one that cringes when I see a new college building being built with ultra modern and stupidly trendy architecture? Can’t anyone appreciate the older buildings?</p>