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I love Gothic architecture… ):</p>
<p>Saugus,</p>
<p>That’s good, if you feel Cornell endowment can be much more you can start with yourself after you graduate and are able to donate. (ask your Cornell friends to do the same) Or maybe you can help with fundrasing calls. :-)</p>
<p>Since you are so interested in their financials, you can look at the public financial planning document which shows how the resources are to be used.
[Fiscal</a> Year 2011-12 Reports](<a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/FP_FY_11-12.htm]Fiscal”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/FP_FY_11-12.htm)</p>
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You bet. If I ever do make it big, I’ll be sure to remember my alma mater.</p>
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Colene, at the undergraduate level, you’re learning basic material so the difference between the knowledge of the professors at Harvard vs. say the University of Minnesota in a given field is not significant. Supply & Demand in Economics or Gibbs Free Energy in Chemistry isn’t taught any differently at Harvard than it is at an average state school like Minnesota.</p>
<p>What does matter is access to professors and being surrounded by the smartest students to inspire and motivate you to acheive your fullest. This will be easier at Cornell that Michigan or UCLA. I’ve discovered in my life being surrounded by the best and brightest is what has pushed me to try my hardest. Of course, Princeton would be better than Cornell in this regard but that is why Princeton, Cornell, and Michigan are on three separate tiers.</p>
<p>Colene you are way too emotional. I have seen you attack others on this forum because of different opinions…by the way, check out Tufts International Relations Program. One of the top, if not the top in the nation. What about Cornell’s state land grant programs. That’s what brings it down in the eyes of many. Check Michigan this year and you will see that it accepted students with lower statistics than in the past. Rumor is that it needs the high priced out-of-state tuition. No need to throw personal unfounded attacks. Starting sentences like “I really do believe” shows no fact. Yes Princeton is on a higher tier. Cornell’s teacher to student ration isn’t great. Oh, Tufts does have that little minor benefit going for it. And, many students choose Tufts over Cornell when accepted at both. Maybe they should have checked in with you first since Tufts doesn’t offer much. bah…ha…ha…ha…Are u a Cornell cheerleader? This will be my last response to your emotional rants. Thanks.</p>
<p>It’s one thing to get Duke and Penn trolls in this forum but it’s another to see the Tufts trolls. lol Come on, dude. Tufts isn’t on the same level as Cornell. Not even close.</p>
<p>Why is this Tufts ■■■■■ on the Cornell board? At least try to come up with something good if you’re going to </p>
<p>Also Saugus, the endowment for Cornell is still pretty high. It’s higher than Brown and Dartmouth in the Ivy League, higher than some other top schools, and close enough to Duke, UChicago, etc. In the end the small (well not small, but small relatively) differences between endowments in the top schools (apart from 15 bil+ of HYP and Stanford) are irrelevant compared to other factors. Cornell gets a lot of grant money as well for research.</p>
<p>The only people I rant at is:
Saugus
Because of his history and his genuine OCD that I am worried about because he is going to a student here next year and I simply care about someone of my school. Your hilarious post, on the other hand, are not even worthy of my response. It shows how absolutely decrepit you are to attempt such underhanded blows - notice I said attempt, because you are failing quite hard at it. You go straight for the inflammatory comments directed at my persona and at the school on points that are entirely off topic (also failing). While not getting into a top tier college is definitely devastating to your ego, it isn’t something to dwell over as you are doing now. </p>
<p>And yes, Cornell can always pull out more from the state when it truly needs to.</p>
<p>Oh and yeah maybe I’m a Cornell cheerleader. So insulting. I’m going to cry in my corner now. (Oh and by the way, your top program isn’t even in the top 10 ANYWHERE. Even Penn state does noticeably better in a number of fields it is strong in.)</p>
<p>Tufts is a good school too, but come on… It’s the namesake of Tufts Syndrome. Which other elite school rejects people for being overqualified on a consistent basis? Maybe WashU, but the standards there are higher.</p>
<p>And why are Duke trolls so ubiquitous on this website?.. :P</p>
<p>Tufts does not even beat out top publics such as Cal, UCLA, UVA, and UMICH.</p>
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<p>Are you claiming that MIT’s status as a land grant university for Massachusetts brings its reputation down in the eyes of many, too? I’ve never understood why universities like MIT and Cornell that were built to serve practical industries are looked down upon.</p>
<p>Anyway, this thread has gone to a dark place.</p>
<p>Colene, you’re hurting my feelings…whhaaaa…whaaaaa</p>
<p>Also, apparently the endowment is for endowed colleges, and the contract schools get a significant amount funding from the state - there is even more funding on the whole for Cornell than is reported because a portion (given to the contract schools) is not even reflected in the $5 billion + endowment!</p>
<p>Funding doesn’t just come in from endowment money. A significant portion of grant money goes towards research and immediate projects rather than going into the endowment, whereas a lot of the endowment money is reinvested (not sure about the specifics for Cornell).</p>
<p>I guess I too am out of my mind. I would select Berkeley over Cornell.</p>
<p>And by the way, I am a Cornell graduate, albeit from 30 years ago.</p>
<p>Cornell was the lowest of the Ivy League back then, and it still is.</p>
<p>Many kids who are also not out of their minds, who are Michigan residents, might decide to go to Michigan over Cornell, because of cost considerations. The same with Berkeley.</p>
<p>And some kids might well decide to select Rice over Cornell, on the grounds that there is not that much difference, and they prefer to stay in Texas, rather than go to college in the middle of nowhere in freezing Ithaca, NY.</p>
<p>The tone of your post indicates that you are very insecure. Why should it even matter to you if some people don’t think there is that much of a difference between a Berkeley and a Cornell? As an amateur psychologist, I might even venture to say that you yourself deep down have your doubts about how high Cornell should be ranked as compared to other universities.</p>
<p>^ You unfortunately seem to be filled with some sour grapes floridadad, as well as some misguided notions about Cornell’s standing. Today, if a student’s goal is to be an architect, engineer, veterinarian, or manager of high-end resorts then Cornell is the best Ivy. If a person’s intent is to be a physicist, chemist, biologist, computer scientist, et cetera, then Cornell is in the upper echelon of the Ivies. Cornell today hosts an undergad business program that ranks 3rd in the nation according to Business Week. And if you look at the leading world rankings of universities you will discover that there are several Ivies that rank below Cornell.</p>
<p>Let me do some math -</p>
<p>U of Michigan - top in state with population of 9.8million. But they also recruit almost 1/3 to 1/2 of high school graduates from some high schools (the high school only ranked around 1000th in the nation).</p>
<p>UC -Berkely - top in state with population of 39 million. You have to be in top 7% (say 40 students from 660 senior class, and the high school is ranked top 300th in the nation) in order to get in. (in California’s term, you need GPA 4.2 to get in, with quite a few AP courses taken in order to boost your GPA) </p>
<p>Cornell - private with 38000 applicants. </p>
<p>In general, (undergraduate level) - Prestige/Selectivity/Ranking Cornell == Berkely >> UM. (Graduate school level) - Berkely > Cornell = UM.</p>
<p>These are all peer schools. Duke, Cornell, Berkeley, Rice, Northwestern, etc. The quality of academics are roughly the same. If I were to blind you and stick you in a random class, you would likely have no idea whether you are being taught by a Duke or a Cornell or a Berkeley professor. For different students, different schools make sense. Cornell students have no reason to look down on a school like UM or Berkeley when all along they’ve been asserting that Cornell is just as good as Dartmouth or Brown or Penn.</p>
<p>Lol, kid from brown trolling cornell about selectivity. How original. I see you’ve seen a fair share of trolls and decided to return the favor. And no, not everyone from Calif. applies to berkeley and the applicant pool is different than that of Cornell’s. Very selective too, but your method is just wrong. Also, we were talking about school quality here, and you brought in a complete tangent.</p>
<p>As for floridadad, sorry that you did not enjoy Cornell as much as you should have as a transfer. I recognize that you are a legitimate poster who may have had the wrong impression about Cornell during your time here - as such, I’m sorry Cornell didn’t give you what you wanted. However, since you have left Cornell about 30 years ago, I doubt you really have a good idea about what Cornell is like now - your bitterness is misguiding your objectivity.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/216507-us-news-top-schools-1983-versus-2006-a-3.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/216507-us-news-top-schools-1983-versus-2006-a-3.html</a> - selectivity
Oh by the way, even in terms of selectivity floridadad, Cornell was still ahead of Penn 24 years ago. Cornell was also ahead of many other ivies at that time in USNWR rankings until its selectivity was overtaken. So yes, what Cornell loses out on now is its selectivity. In terms of educational quality, Cornell hasn’t dropped - as shown by its presence as a top school in many departments. </p>
<p>USNWR back in 1988:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/216507-us-news-top-schools-1983-versus-2006-a.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/216507-us-news-top-schools-1983-versus-2006-a.html</a> - rankings</p>
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As far as student body strength and undergraduate focus go however…Duke=Rice>Northwestern>Cornell>Berkeley. For undergraduate prestige, its Duke>Cornell>Northwestern>Berkeley>Rice.</p>