What is strong about the undergraduate of ND?

Colleges & Universities A-Z University of Notre Dame
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<p>those 14000 other students at Cal are getting high. </p>

<p>young people have never turned out at the polls, if Puff Daddy can’t do it, a bunch of tree huggers from NorCal can’t do it. I say this with the utmost cordiallity (not a word) because I too am a tree hugger.</p>

<p>Joe Montana still pwns Tom Brady, therefore somebody jump to an erroneous conclusion.</p>

<p>I’m willing to bet that 3 out of 5 Americans can’t find Michigan on a map nor can they name 3 of 5 Catholics on the Supreme Court. Not relevant I know. But I once told a random lady from Chile that I go to ND and she responded with “Me gusta Notre Dame, the Fighting Irish.” Why lady who grew up in rural Chile likes the Fighting Irish I don’t know. True story. </p>

<p>And no one gives a crap about a BBA if you have an engineering degree. You are just wasting your time and money. Do an MS/MBA program later if you want to up your market value.</p>

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<p>bpayne1,MIchigan’s BBA no value?! Give me some reasons.
What do you mean by No one heard U.Michigan?</p>

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<p>bpayne: well apparently those drugs give Cal students more Nobel Prize winners, national merit scholars, lower acceptance rate, a stronger GPA, and greater international reputation than any of the schools mentioned on this thread. Higher departmental rankings as well: (last year UCB had more programs ranked in the top-10 in the nation than any other university in the country–take that Stanfurd, Yale, Harvard, Priceton, ND, Michigan, and UCLA :P). I thought drugs were supposed to ruin your brain?!</p>

<p>PS: My brother goes to Cal, and we live in what has been ranked as one of the 15 most conservative towns in the country–he is conservative, and loves it there. So enough with the tree-hugger nonsense. </p>

<p>But I am glad the rural Chilean lady who knows little English knew about ND. Heartwarming indeed.</p>

<p>When you discover 17 periodic elements like the kids at Berkeley, come back and you might actually have something to argue about.</p>

<p>BobbyC: I agree, I think you will be hard pressed to find students more passionate about their school (be it ND, Michigan, Cal, or UCLA) anywhere in the country.</p>

<p>Thought we could end this little debate with a few clips. I think it’s pretty obvious that all are great schools with notable faculty, alumni, and missions:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXZJPMg5UFY[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXZJPMg5UFY&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNogpE1bEWA[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNogpE1bEWA&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V0g3MD9WLI[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V0g3MD9WLI&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anelaFYOpy0[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anelaFYOpy0&lt;/a&gt; (official school sponsored)
<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKLcb_q3-YU&NR=1[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKLcb_q3-YU&NR=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Notre Dame is truly an amazing place, somewhere I would be honored to earn an education. But the rest of those schools are excellent as well, in their own way. All share tradition, academic eliteness, and inspiring students and faculty. They should be appreciated for what they are, because without them, the educational experience in America would simply not be what it is today.</p>

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<p>thank you bpayne1… you said quite bluntly what i was trying to be nice about</p>

<p>and yes, as a matter of fact vc08 i think a school achieves the way ND does because it does try to be the best in everything and not just so so</p>

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<p>Duh!!! none of those schools want to be “so so,” and none of the are</p>

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<p>i agree, i misread your statement before</p>

<p>but i guess im not seeing it the same way you are. i just think ND excels a lot more than those schools and gives a better experience as a whole rather than just an education so that has been my main point</p>

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<p>I don’t what town your brother lives in, but it is good to see an oasis of common sense some where up there in NorCal. Like I said, I am a tree-hugger pseudo-hippie, but my political beliefs rest soundly with Ron Paul. </p>

<p>And just seriously dude, all that ‘nonsense’ with people living in trees and preventing Cal from expanding its stadium makes the rest of us think that there are hippies up there. So I’m not going off nothing.</p>

<p>Berkeley undergrads who have won Nobel Prizes: 9
I’m not going to look up stats for any other school mentioned because I know they aren’t that high. Considering that Berkeley is a research institution focused on things that win Nobel Prizes (physiology, chemistry, economics, physics, I doubt they have too many literature or peace laureates) and the fact that they turn out probably 5-6 thousand undergrads a year it doesn’t surprise me.</p>

<p>I can honestly say that one factor in choosing ND over Cal was the other people from my high school who were going to each. Not that those Golden Bears weren’t great students and shared rather similar philosophies as myself, but the Golden Domers were guys that you would want your daughter to marry. Yeah some of them have changed since arriving here, but that was something I considered then.</p>

<p>And for Mr. Michael: yeah a BBA plus engineering degree would take at least 5 years and engineers hate themselves enough with the workload you don’t need to augment that with useless group projects. Even if you had both, you would make more money as an engineer (if you care about money this is important) and an undergrad business degree won’t make you any more desirable. Now an MBA plus MS in engineering means big money. </p>

<p>And if you want my advise in general, either be born to someone with a net worth of $500 million or go to Oklahoma or Texas A&M or some place like those and get a degree in petroleum engineering. PE has the highest starting salaries of any college major.</p>

<p>Vice Cop 08 (or whatever): I’m not going to argue that ND is the best ever at everything (I have serious issues with somethings). But if you want to maximize your chances of a Nobel Prize and attend a school with two, yes TWO, golf courses, then an undergrad at ND and graduate school at Cal would be better than undergrad Cal. </p>

<p>PS: I don’t golf, and I like the fact that professors know my name, kind of like Cheers</p>

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<p>bpayne: I’m guessing you knew maybe 5-6 people in your graduating class who attended Cal. Out of a student body of 32,000 people, that’s nothing. I probably know a lot more kids there than you (just like you know more kids at ND than me); some of them are all-american athletes, others have won prestigious awards for fellowships at Oxford and Cambridge. Just bc it has a rep as a ‘hippie school’ doesn’t mean that’s how everyone is; it doesn’t mean the guys and girls aren’t ladies and gentlemen. Sure, some of them aren’t, but neither is everyone at any school. There are 8 tree-livers. That’s .0005% of the student body at Cal (yes, I did the math). Should I base ND’s rep off of the 10 jacka**es I met on the campus tour who kept mocking the tour-guide? Or maybe on the reputation that everyone there is rich, preppy white kids? It goes both ways, I’m glad I’m able to look past the stereotypes though. I know 3 kids who have chosen Cal over ND, btw, and they are all very pleased with their choice. Just like I know someone who chose Michigan over Cal and UCLA, and couldn’t be having a better time.</p>

<p>As for the professors thing: my brother is glad the professors at Cal know him by name as well, and was especially happy his frosh year when his English teacher walked up to him in a class of 250 to tell him how impressed she was with his paper. Glad both schools share such an enriching experience.</p>

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HAHA, too bad ND doesn’t teach originality, you’d set the curve in that class.</p>

<p>I really just wanted to point out that there is value in the education at all the schools mentioned. The value is different: at ND, you get morals and ethics, and at Cal, UCLA, and Michigan you get intellectual advancement and independent motivation at a rapid pace. But all schools are just as valuable in their experience. They all have bright student bodies, passionate professors, and work to “Promote the better angels of our nature,” to take a few words from Lincoln. I’ve never heard a Michigan grad say “oh, I wish I’d gone to Notre Dame,” just like I’ve never heard a Domer say “Gosh darn, I shouldda chosen UCLA!” That should tell you something about the schools right there. Notre Dame has too many things going for it to resort to bashing other schools in order to build itself up.</p>

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<p>Why be antagonistic? Just go to Cal.</p>

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<p>Anyone with half a brain will see that I wasn’t the one who started it, I was just complimenting all the universities. Apparently though, eliteness and arrogance is pretty high on some ND students’ lists.</p>

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<p>You certainly shouldn’t go to a school filled with elite and arrogant students. Good luck finding the place that is right for you! I seriously wish you the best.</p>

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<p>yeah, hopefully I can change that next year at ND!</p>

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<p>Dude don’t get the impression that we’re all arrogant, just that crack head from north quad who went on TV and started talking about Backup College. That was classy. I have no beef with Cal. Michigan, eh, I have a dislike because of rivalry, but I could probably care less.</p>

<p>Vice cop. No? Is it valley center instead? Or do you go somewhere else? I went to Saints so I’ve made that 619 jump (or I guess 760)</p>

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<p>I know you aren’t all arrogant, you’re just very proud of your school, which you sould be. I was just simply trying to point out that they all offer something different, but education-wise, they’re virtually equal. Nice talking with you all, and good luck in future academic endeavors! Go Irish!</p>