<p>I've been looking for some more reaches for me and I'm starting to really like Cornell. I liked the campus and town when I visited in the summer. But like I said, it will be a reach for me and I know Cornell's acceptance rate is like 20%, but what would it be with the guaranteed transfers? I wouldn't mind starting somewhere cheap for a year, then going to Cornell, if I get lucky. </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>I don't actually know where you're from, but I'm willing to guess it's either Hawaii or Cleveland, which significantly reduces your chance of getting a GT.</p>
<p>By far, most GTs go to NYS kids applying to the NYS colleges.</p>
<p>Yeah, Cleveland. Born in Hawaii. How did you know Cleveland?</p>
<p>Ok, so most GTs go to NYS kids? How hard is it to be a normal transfer? I'm going to assume pretty hard.</p>
<p>Many Guaranteed Transfers are given to out-of-state residents, even internationals. I know a person who got GT from Canada last year. Last year, many OOS people on this forum, some from NC, some from Cal, got GTs as well.</p>
<p>They definitely give out GTs. However, many GTs are given to strong applicants who got deferred from ED. (Many applicants who got deferred from ED last year got GTs.)</p>
<p>There are some GTs given to people out of state applicants to CAS. I think I was told that none are given to COE. Nevertheless, as I said, the vast, vast majority go to NYS residents at NYS colleges. </p>
<p>I think those given at CAS don't care whether you are NYS, US, or Int'l, because they have no reason to; however, they are much, much harder to get.</p>
<p>By the way, someone wrote Cleveland on your Visitor's Messages; until I saw that, I assumed Hawaii.</p>
<p>That international student I know applied for CALS. sebcartwright, keep in mind that there are two kinds of guaranteed transfer. One is given to those who apply for freshman admission. The other is given to those attending certain CCs in NYS. The former has no particular preference.</p>
<p>For whatever its worth, I'm a non-NYS resident, and was deferred ED from CALS, and got a GT.</p>
<p>So, is it mostly for people who were deferred ED? I probably won't apply ED, Notre Dame is my dream school and I'd probably only go to Cornell if I get rejected from ND(which means I would most likely get rejected from Cornell too, Cornell is probably slightly more selective,right?) or if ND gives me a terrible FA package. But who knows what will happen, I've still got time and may change my mind. </p>
<p>I'll probably be applying to CAS, I'm interested in Econ, Poli Sci or maybe AEM.</p>
<p>@FB lalaland
I am aware; however, most of the Freshman GTs are for NYS residents as well.
Most GTs are for NYS residents and most GTs are from NYS colleges.</p>
<p>That's most, not all; I am aware plenty of people who got GTs from out-of-state, I am just pointing out that it is far more difficult. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, even ignoring the fact that most GTs go to NYS residents, most GTs are from contract colleges, and not CAS.</p>
<p>Most GTs are for NYS residents because more NYS residents apply.</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but that is untrue.
While it is true that more NYS residents apply, it is widely understood that the NYS gov't pressures Cornell into taking a disproportionate number of NYS students through both acceptances and GTs.</p>
<p>cf. <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/137913-guaranteed-transfer.htm%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/137913-guaranteed-transfer.htm</a>
It's old but still relevant.</p>
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<p>Most GTs are for NYS residents because more NYS residents apply. Cornell is a private institute; it can do anything it wants. NYS has no say in college admission process whatsoever. Due to the changing demographics of Cornell's applicant pool, geography plays little in Cornell's GT and admission process.</p>
<p>Ha. I cut off an L when copying and pasting... try now:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/137913-guaranteed-transfer.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/137913-guaranteed-transfer.html</a></p>
<p>More to the point, I am well aware that Cornell is a private institution, however, as I have said, that is incorrect. It is established that Cornell's GTs go disproportionately to NYS residents at NYS colleges due to:
(1) The threat of NYS budget cuts if an insufficient number of NYS residents are accepted. (This is well-established and widely known.)
(2) I have been told that its land-grant status requires a quota of in-state students. (I have no idea if this is true - I personally doubt it.)</p>
<p>I think that website contradicts what you're claiming. Cornell doesn't really care whether GT is given to an instate resident or not.</p>
<p>I believe if you read the posts, it does not.
Cornell does care about whether the GT is given to in-state residents at CALS, HumEc and ILR for the reasons I have already given, just as it does in regular contract college admissions. (We know without a doubt that it is considered in freshman admissions. In the Cornell University Division of Planning and Budget's Common Data Set for 2008-09, under C7 ("Relative importance of each of the following academic and nonacademic factors in first-time, first-year, degree-seeking (freshman) admission decisions."), "State residency" is listed as a "Considered" factor. <a href="http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000420.pdf#pagemode=bookmarks%5B/url%5D">http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000420.pdf#pagemode=bookmarks</a> )</p>
<p>More to the point, if hawaiiboy15 is applying to CAS, his being in-state or out-of-state is irrelevant. He will have, at CAS, an equal chance as all the other applicants; unfortunately, CAS is both more competitive and gives far fewer GTs.</p>
<p>Given these commitments, it is also important to note that geography is not by itself a determining factor in any admission decision. Cornell has never released stats about the admission rates gap between OOS and in-state residents. You are unable to arrive at a conclusion.</p>
<p>Cornell does release the precentage of IS vs OOS students and they hover at around +/-50% for all the contract colleges. When I viisted ILR I was told the majority of GT's go to instate students.</p>
<p>I'm not surprised that Cornell doesn't release the difference between in-state and out-of-state acceptances - it wouldn't look good for them.
But it is well established that this is the practice.</p>
<p>More importantly, it is irrelevant if the OP is applying CAS.</p>
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<p>You're spewing a lot of unfounded nonsense, unfortunately. If it is so "well-established" and universally acknowledged that Cornell accepts a disproportionate numbers of applicants from New York State, show me some proof. There is none. </p>
<p>All the Common Data set indicates is that geography is a factor in admission, so yes, if you are from Alaska or the North Country, Cornell will consider you a bit differently. If you are from Long Island, they will add you to the pile of the six thousand other Long Island students applying to Cornell.</p>
<p>Nor has there ever been any sort of threat of budget cuts from the State in regards to the numbers of in-state students in the contract colleges.</p>
<p>Cornell takes in-state students because a lot of in-state students apply, especially to the contract colleges. Cornell provides a lot of GTs to in-state residents because a lot of in-state students apply. Now what may be true is that more in-state GTs accept the offer due to the tuition differential, but there is nothing to see here.</p>
<p>And it's well know that CAS provides GTs as well.</p>
<p>Is there any specific type of applicant that is more likely to get a GT, or is it just a general "not quite good enough for regular admission," like a waitlist?</p>