<p>I really don’t understand the difference a couple of weeks makes in determining the next four years of your life? Why can’t they just wait until April 1st, or April 16th (AT THE VERY LATEST!) to find out whether or not they got in? Almost every college releases decisions on April 1st, so it doesn’t really matter.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Shoulda made more friends imo. Seriously.</p>
<p>
Are they really that quality, or do they think they are because they follow USNWR rankings and think that Michigan should be a safety school and they should get in? Because it’s not a safety school. It’s a top university.</p>
<p>
They changed their policy this year, before people applied, so people knew before hand of the policy change. I don’t see the issue here?</p>
<p>
I don’t feel sympathy for either of them. If you got deferred, it means maybe you weren’t good enough to get in during the first round. Plain and simple. Maybe they should’ve tried harder in high school. I’m sick of people treating Michigan like a safety school. It’s not. If you didn’t get in during the first round, it’s your fault.</p>
<p>
Frustrated because their sense of entitlement and lack of attention spans longer than 3 minutes has created a generation of people so bent on getting their decisions instantly that anything longer than a couple weeks is way too long for them, and CLEARLY the fault of the University. I mean, GOD FORBID Michigan releases their decisions on the same day as other elite universities. ****ing hypocrites. /sarcasm</p>
<p>to the OP - get over yourself, if you were good enough to get in initially, you would’ve, and now you’re on the bubble with others who are comparable and also on the bubble. Wait it out. Everyone does it. Life doesn’t always happen exactly how you want it to.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks doesn’t make or break the next four years, but the stress level is high because they have been long-awaiting a decision that certain plays a role in the rest of their lives. Like you’re saying, Michigan isn’t like “every other college.” It’s one thing to go into it with the knowledge that they will absolutely not know anything until April 1st, because you don’t wait around expecting things (I know - I applied to some of the Ivies). Michigan, however, has been stringing people along and changing things as they go, as I stated in my other post. In terms of quality, obviously everything is self-reported, but there are certainly qualified applicants who have been deferred because Michigan was overloaded and didn’t want to make the same mistakes they did last year (again, I know because I’ve spoken to my regional admissions officer and have a few friends in recruiting office). Right or wrong, part of the stress lies in the fact that people didn’t expect such a large group of defers, or so many changes in policy. As for your criticism of my supposed small number of friends, all I have to say is bite me - you have no business or right to criticize how I live my life. Additionally, I gave an example of an unexpected change to their published policy in another post in this thread - perhaps you should read more before you take it upon yourself to criticize people. </p>
<p>You’re right - Michigan isn’t a safety school, but I’d love for you to prove that it is the fault of these people that they didn’t get in first round, because every last word that I’ve heard from everyone I have talked to in admissions and out has been that they wanted to cover their behinds and accept fewer people in the beginning and more later when they could have better control over their class size. This includes deferring many with top stats who probably will end up at an Ivy and not Michigan.</p>
<p>Again, if Michigan had said that it would release decisions only on April 1st like the Ivies, that would be different. They didn’t - they said it could be any time until the middle of April, which is much more stressful.</p>
<p>I was talking about the OP earlier. Myself and everyone else who applied EA and was deffered are entitled to our answers EARLY, we paid money and we met deadlines, time for UMich to fulfill their side of the bargain.</p>
<p>Coldhearted? Where? Did I wish that all the deferreds get rejection notices? No. Did I wish that come April 15th Michigan change it’s mind and make the drop dead date May 31st? No, CiaraxMist came up with that scheme.</p>
<p>The OP titled this thread “What is wrong with UMich?”. All I’ve done is point out that Michigan has, so far, done exactly what it said it would do! The EA language I quoted hasn’t changed since September when I first printed it out. Every EA candidate received one of the three possible answers EARLY. Every deferred EA applicant was told they’d have a final answer by mid-April. March 11th is only flirting with mid-March much less mid-April. You got exactly what you agreed to and what your were entitled to, no more, no less.</p>
<p>To whine on March 11th that Michigan is somehow horrible or cruel because they are going to make you wait until the date they told you about is ridiculous. Michigan may in fact tell applicants their decisions sooner, if so, great, if not they most certainly haven’t done anything wrong. So your friends are left with two alternatives, first, take a “chill pill” until April 15th or if they truly believe they have been treated horribly they are of course free to withdraw their applications.</p>
<p>As for not reading this thread, it’s an open internet forum and the OP didn’t title the thread “Michigan is wrong and I only want responses that completely agree with me”.</p>
<p>They DID give you a decision. That’s what you deferees don’t seem to understand. When you apply EA, you can get accepted, denied, or deferred. You got deferred. You people act like you didn’t get a decision at all. They decided to reevaluate you with the RD applicant pool. They wouldn’t have deferred you just to evaluate you again before the RD applicants. Deferees act as if they are entitled to getting a decision before RD applicants even though they are now being considered together. </p>
<p>You got deferred. Start making alternate plans. If you get in then great.</p>
<p>As I said, I am waiting for a decision along with all the others who were deffered EA. Defer is not a decision is a pro-longer, if you will. Do not tell me that I received a decision. Please focus your post on answering the OP’s question and not commenting on my statements. Thanks</p>
<p>Maybe it’s not a final decision, but it’s a response, and an indicative one at that. Your response showed that you weren’t good enough to get in with the other competitive applicants, and that there’s a chance you won’t get in, so start looking at other schools.</p>
<p>When you applied EA, you knew what you were getting into. You should have known that there was a possibility you would get deferred and wouldn’t hear until later. </p>
<p>All I’m saying is that those who were deferred shouldn’t act as if they deserve final decisions before RD applicants, since they are now being compared against each other.</p>
<p>I have noticed that many applicants who are “disapointed” with Michigan are those that apply to Michigan as their “safety” school. Many look at its 50% acceptance rate, slightly lower SAT range and how supposedly “inferior” appliants they “know” were admitted as an predictor of their own chances of admission. As I always stress, Michigan is not a safety school…not even for extremely strong applicants (4.0 GPA with 2300+/34+ SAT/ACT). </p>
<p>Michigan has rolling admissions, but given the huge increase in applicants this year (38,000+), it cannot guarantee responding to all its applicants at a convient time.</p>
<p>I just think that I should get my decision by April 1st, because by then I’ll have final decisions from the other 12 schools I applied to. ALL other top schools I know of will have released decisions by the 1st. </p>
<p>I know UMich is a top school, but that doesn’t mean top students can’t consider it a safety school. There’s no denying that it’s not as selective as Ivies and some other top schools. Also, the fact that I got into three schools more selective than UMich (Notre Dame, UNC OOS, and Wash U) makes me wonder about my deferral from UMich.</p>
<p>sharkfin and vinceh- COMPETELY agree with you. Guess what, it was possible to get in EA this year. Even OOS! I’m living breathing proof.</p>
<p>CiaraMist:
Huh? Of course it’s their fault. If they would have done better in high school they would have gotten in. Michigan clearly states their admissions procedures that every applicant agrees to when they turn their stuff in. They take the kids who they believe can make up the best incoming class.</p>
<p>hahaha, just because you paid an application fee, it does not entitle you to receive your response whenever you please…
While I do disagree with Michigan’s RD situation this year (where it was stated as rolling but it appears to not be), tough luck. Whenever they tell you, they tell you. And if that means you don’t go to Michigan because they had the nerve to wait until April 1 to tell you a decision, that’s fine too. If you’re so impatient that you can’t even wait a couple weeks, then all of the people at Michigan will be happier that you don’t go there.
(I am not saying that you shouldn’t be worrying/stressed at this time. You should be- college decisions are a big deal. But that doesn’t give you the right to demand whatever you want).
in short: bunch of impatient, immature and stuck-up kids here.</p>
<p>“I know UMich is a top school, but that doesn’t mean top students can’t consider it a safety school.”</p>
<p>Actually Massgirl, that’s exactly what it means. Michigan rejects too many top students to be considered a safety. For students with perfect 4.0 GPAs and 2300+/34+ SAT/ACT, Michigan is a “safe match”, but not a safety. This is about to change for the worse as Michigan is expected to accept 38% of applicants this year (roughly only 25% of OOS applicants).</p>
<p>“There’s no denying that it’s not as selective as Ivies and some other top schools.”</p>
<p>Only 10 or so universities are truly (significantly) more selective than Michigan for OOS applicants. Another 5 or so are slightly more selective. Admittedly, the Ivies are among those 15 universities. Still, I would say with confidence that Michigan is one of the 20 most selective universities for OOS students.</p>
<p>“Also, the fact that I got into three schools more selective than UMich (Notre Dame, UNC OOS, and Wash U) makes me wonder about my deferral from UMich.”</p>
<p>Admissions is neither linear nor predictible and Michigan is not less selective (for OOS applicants) than Notre Dame or UNC. WUSTL is hard to gauge because they pad their applicant pool by strongly encouraging students who have no chance of getting in to apply. All of those universities superscore SAT scores and WUSTL superscores ACT scores. I am usually reluctant to consider Notre Dame’s data because they do not publish a common data set, but I suspect that they only report a portion of their ACT scores, inflating the range by a significant margin. UNC and Michigan also deemphasize standardized tests and are much less likely to be impressed by high test scores. In short, comparing universities according to selectivity is impossible…as is comparing one’s chances of admission into a university based on what happened to others. </p>
<p>Bottom line, students should not apply to Michigan as their safety and nobody should “expect” an acceptance. Those that do clearly do not respect Michigan and this will be clear in the way they write their essays. Why should Michigan accept such applicants?</p>
<p>I failed to mention that I didn’t apply there BECAUSE I thought it was a safe bet (although I did think it was a safe bet). I applied because I love it, and of the 13 schools I applied to there is only ONE school I would definitely attend over UMich. I worked very hard on my UMich essays, and they were as well done as any of my other essays…so please don’t assume anything about my essays. What makes you think that ND only reports “some of its ACT scores”? While UMich is agreat school, I would disagree that is just as/more selective than ND, UNC, and Wash U.</p>
<p>Massgirl, I did not assume anything about your essays, although the tone of your posts is not very respectful of Michigan. You clearly believe that Michigan MUST accept all students who are good and failure to do so is a mistake on the part of the University. I am glad to hear that you like Michigan and that it is one of your top choices.</p>
<p>With regard to Notre Dame’s mid 50% SAT range, it is similar to Michigan’s (when you account for superscoring) and yet its mid 50% ACT range is similar to Harvard’s. I find that strange. Maybe it is just a coincidence.</p>
<p>And you are incorrect about your assumption that Michigan is not as selective as Notre Dame and UNC. Maybe that is why you are suprised or disapointed that Michigan has not yet admitted you. Just because Michigan accepts a higher percentage of its applicants than Notre Dame and UNC does not make it less selective. Michigan just values different criteria more than Notre Dame and UNC. Notre Dame looks for fit; people who want the Catholic experience. Michigan and UNC actually have nearly identical admissions standards. WUSTL is impossible to gauge. I have known to many 3.0-3.5 students with 1800-2000 SAT/26-29 ACT that were strongly encouraged to apply, but I would count WUSTL among the handful of schools that are slightly more selective than Michigan. Notre Dame and UNC are not.</p>
It’s curious that the number of students submitting SAT and those submitting ACT added up to exactly 100% for the last five years I checked (i.e., no one submitting both). That shows me that ND is only reporting the higher of the two.</p>
<p>Are people saying UMich isn’t respinding to deferred EA applicants? Because that’s not true. My friends was deferred EA with a 33 ACT and 3.9 UW GPA and got in two weeks ago. It feels like people are freaking out more about the fact that they were deferred rather than that they haven’t heard.</p>
<p>honestly i think it would help a lot if a lot of kids on this site actually had hobbies and did productive things with their free time
ive looked at that decision thread a few times, and its so pathetic to see everyone checking CC every minute, hour, and day to see if the decisions are out.</p>
<p>i applied on january 31st, one day before the RD deadline, and i can live with waiting a couple weeks to see if i am accepted</p>
<p>I honestly think this debate is a little too heated on both sides. I am an OOS EA deferee and no, I still have not heard. I applied because I am from Michigan and absolutely love the state and school, it’s not a safety, but a dream school. I am concerned that I haven’t heard back because of the scholarship opportunities in forgoing in my home state, but nonetheless, willing to wait it out. I don’t think you can blame it on the EA applicant for defferal. 1. Because you don’t know the circumstances surrounding that applicant, maybe they lost a parent or friend during high school or maybe they were hospitalized and all of these things plus more could affect the final grades. and 2. because as was previously stated to control class size, admissions officers made sure to cover all the bases and deferred what might have been a regular accept. The thing is, no one knows if your application was at the ‘good, but we’ll play it safe till later’ level, or the ‘you are barely holding on by the skin of your teeth’ level and there is no way to tell that before decisions.</p>
<p>Bottom Line: Yes, EA deferee’s must be patient, and yes we signed up for a possible 7 month wait, but that doesn’t mean we can’t vent about the frustration and lack of stability until we are informed. But also, we should not be discredited or ‘brought down to size’ by others because we should’ve ‘tried harder’ to meet whatever standard it is that you hold. Decisions are what they are come whatever date they choose to inform us by.</p>