What is your child's pet peeve as a frosh in college

<p>I am a parent. My D does not drink. She also knows not to get into cars with people who have been drinking. When she was in high school, we had a no dating guys who can drive until you can drive rule, for this very reason. </p>

<p>I’m sorry you are so incredibly upset. I would intuit that your son is newly sober. Good luck to you. I also hope he is living in a sober dorm and that you have found him a good sober campus. There is a thread about that. </p>

<p>I’m not worried about what other kids are doing. I know my daughter has very good judgement and has proven this to me over and over and over again. I trust her and I trust her to know what to do. She is mainly at college to study, btw, as I hope is your son.</p>

<p>btw, NOBODY in our house drinks alcohol. We just don’t think it’s a big deal when other people do.</p>

<p>Mummom… Talk about defensive? You seem to be reading a little too much into the who cares thing. Yes there are kids who cross the line and get very very ill. And if that’s happening a lot with the same individual that person is drinking for all the very wrong reasons. I honestly don’t know where your kids go to school, but if everyone is suffering from alcohol poisoning on a weekly basis, they must not be doing much studying. But here’s a question for you… how can you know this is absolutely what is going on when by your own admission your child neither drinks or dances. Does he go out at all?</p>

<p>And I am with you China. I have a very different standard for S vs D. I also expect if my S goes out with a bunch of girls he knows he has a responsibility to that group of girls. I would not expect my daughters to have the same “manners.”</p>

<p>I read poetgrl’s post more as saying that’s it’s a shame your child doesn’t like to dance…but as far as your child not liking to drink - “who cares.” I think you took it the wrong way. But as a parent myself, I think that you seem to CARE a little too much about the drinking. Many of the other parents who are posting here seem to be acknowledging that there are different levels of drinking at college. Not every kid is binging and acting like a crazy person. There are plenty of kids who are non-drinkers who manage to go to college, go to parties, NOT drink, and still have a good time.</p>

<p>Yes, China. That was my point. But, I think there’s something else going on here, anyway, and this woman is just terrified her son WILL drink. But, let’s not belabor the point. </p>

<p>About those cafeteria hours and heating issues…</p>

<p>China I don’t see a need to apologize. Most anyone who has raised both a boy and a girl will tell you that if our girls stop communicating it is often cause for worry whereas if our boys do it is barely discernable from when they are communicating. </p>

<p>I am being a bit flip I know but it has been scientifically demonstrated that women simply talk more…like I think 10 times more than men. Those of us who stayed home with our little babies remember the deer in the headlites look our H’s got when they walked through the door after work and we assailed them verbally with all the tales of our days at home with the kids. We couldn’t wait to talk to another adult. They had likely been talking to adult people all day and couldn’t wait for peace and quiet.</p>

<p>So no China you are not alone or wrong in expecting different amounts of communication from you S vs your D. You are wise and aware of the differences between your own children in specific and sons and daughters in general.</p>

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<p>BWAAAAAA! So true, so true.</p>

<p>Oldfort, my sons would love to go dancing with your daughter! S2 is very shy but a great dancer so the girls are always asking him; S3 doesn’t have a shy bone in his body but loves to dance too. Neither likes sloshed girls but theydon’t like uptight judgmental girls either. they just want to have fun! (and want to get good grades…which always comes first!)</p>

<p>[CSPI:</a> Alcohol Policy: Binge Drinking on College Campuses](<a href=“http://www.cspinet.org/booze/collfact1.htm]CSPI:”>Center for Science in the Public Interest)</p>

<p>I think some of you are being too hard on mummom. She makes some salient points. I am sorry, but all those of you who say your kid goes to a party but only drinks a little and doesn’t get sloshed seem to have blinders on. Now, I am not saying your kid gets stupid drunk every weekend / party but I am sure they get stupid drunk far more often than you believe. Sorry, its really rare for kids to just go and have one or two drinks when everyone else is getting hammered</p>

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<p>Agreed, I am a current student and I can attest to Mummom’s points. While I do attend a university deemed a “party school”, I would say those who choose to drink, drink hard. </p>

<p>Why does this happen? People here tend to drink to get drunk or “sloshed”. Sure there’s a middle ground, but I would say upwards of 70% of the people I know that drink “pregame” before they even get to the party. This usually entails 3-8 shots depending on tolerance, body weight, and gender. Then you’re liekyl going to be drinking once you get to the party. Is it safe? Probably not particularly, but frankly if your kid says they drink, I would assume they do it on a “binge level” if not worse. I can’t theorize about drinking from your generations, though I would agree on a whole about Mummom’s points.</p>

<p>Oh and by the way, just because one binge drinks doesn’t mean they aren’t studying either. Kids at top universities who choose to partake in drinking are either going to be responsible about it and work hard during the week or dropout, there’s no two ways about it. It’s naive that some parents here paint a picture of students who drink as dumb maniacs who are destined to not study and act immaturely. In my opinion it’s a great way to blow off steam and get rejuvinated for next week.</p>

<p>Cryto-- have you seen that new utube “What’s a Coastie” from Madison? It’s quite good. </p>

<p>I’m not going to argue with your experience since you’re the one at a party school. Please be careful and study.</p>

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<p>Ya that video is hilarious haha. Trouble is, girls from Wi do the exact same thing as the coasties even if they don’t realize it. All the “Sconnies” are hypocrites I say ;). If you’ve ever been around the Madison board the issue is really inflated though people that actually go here never give me a bad time about being a “coastie” unless they’re just joking around. Song has come up at a couple parties and it gets people really riled up though.</p>

<p>On the other hand, yes I am doing my best to study/be safe. As they say around here, “Work hard, play hard”.</p>

<p>Well, poetgrl, if 48 % of kids at ALL four year colleges cite getting drunk as a reason to drink (I’m sure you read the above link I posted, right), I guess that means that this is occurring at a lot more schools than “party” schools. Nice try though.</p>

<p>mummom-- I really don’t know why after 11 posts on this website you have decided to attack everyone. It’s nuts.</p>

<p>Do you think I don’t know these things? I worked as an addictions counselor for years and I happen to be an adolescent psychologist. 10% of the population will addict to drugs and alcohol, very few of them will ever recover.</p>

<p>If you want your son in an alcohol free environment he doesn’t have any business on a college campus. If you don’t worry about your son, then maybe just leave the rest of us alone. I choose not to judge people on this board. We know like two things about one another. All we really know about you is that you need to get to alanon. Good luck. I will put you on ignore, now.</p>

<p>You choose not to judge people? You accused my son of being a recovering alcoholic!
Go back and read my post #48. I carefully laid out my issues. I think it’s crummy that kids who choose not to drink have to have such a hard time of it on campuses today. (And, as shown by many posts here, parents in denial sure as heck are not helping the college drinking culture any.) And nondrinkers should not have to defend their choice and lay out personal information, (which I refuse to do here in my son’s case, thank you, other than to say that no, he is not a recovering substance abuser. lol). And I worry about this generation. Period. And as an addiction counselor, you’re well aware that freshman binge drinking (we are talking about freshman in this thread) is a very poor idea in terms of future alcoholism. Good night to you too!</p>

<p>Wow, people! I can’t believe what I just read.</p>

<p>First, can we all please stop criticizing each other for our parenting styles? All families are different, and different parents and their college students are comfortable with different types of relationships, different degrees of closeness, different levels of verbosity. There is also obviously a wide spectrum of opinions about whether or not men are capable of or should be capable of communicating as effectively as women, an opinion that varies with cultures, nations, families, etc. As we on the internet are members of an international community noted for its diversity, I would like to suggest we accept different points of view with respect and tolerance. I am glad to know so many people are happy with the amount of communication they have from their child at college. (For myself, if I do get phone calls, it seems like too much; if I don’t get any calls, I think it’s too little. I guess I am just going to complain no matter what.) However, as I know we are all in the process of adjusting to a new type of relationship with our just-departed-for-college-kids, I think if someone is feeling that they would like to hear from them more or less, it is more kind to respond in sympathy rather than prescribing how much or how little contact is desirable. </p>

<p>Second, I feel that the question of drinking on campus is very important. I am a retired college professor and as a graduate student was the resident director of a dorm on an Ivy League campus for many years. I also live in an Ivy League University town (there are other campuses around as well) and I have observed the general tendency Mummom mentions about the increase in drinking on campus, and particularly an increase in the character of the drinking (more heavy drinking, more extreme drinking practices, like kids drinking the vomit of other kids at a party). I think that it is a common thing to picture life at college as similar to what we experienced when we were students. It is very very different. A lot of us may not realize what our children are experiencing or seeing, and when a student says, “there’s a lot of drinking,” I am not sure all of us realize just what that really means.</p>

<p>That said, obviously, there will always be drinking on college campuses. The administrators of college campuses and the residential counselors who collaborate with them to safeguard student health expect this and work hard to curtail serious injury. I believe Mumom makes some very important points about students on campus who for one reason or another, might not want to immerse themselves in the drinking culture. Some have medical or religious reasons, some might be in training as athletes, some might simply not be that into partying. I feel that saying that someone who is not into drinking “has no business on a college campus” is very much out of line. No one should be told they have no business on a college campus because of their lifestyle choices. It’s my impression that campuses used to work harder to create non-alcoholic venues and alternatives to the almost institutionalized drinking marathons that now take place regularly (and almost every night, not just on weekends). I also do perceive a significant shift in the undergraduate student culture towards more heavy drinking and the concomitant hookup culture. Further, these facets of student life, which once represented only a component of the campus culture, now almost completely dominate it. Those who express a preference for a different lifestyle come in for some very intolerant and nasty put downs. It is my hope that any student on a campus who is not into a given aspect of mainstream campus life, would feel comfortable, supported, and would be able to find some like-minded friends whose life has a different focus. </p>

<p>In the meantime, I for one, would appreciate hearing from other parents whose kids also are not as into the drinking scene.</p>

<p>Alright how the heck did this thread get so **** far off topic?</p>

<p>And guys please stop fighting, this isn’t the thread for it :)</p>

<p>So anyway… One big problem for my D is her roommate. D arrived knowing not a single soul, and hoped/assumed that her first connection would be with her roomie, and she’d branch out from there. Hasn’t worked out that way. Roomie already knew a large group of students on campus before she arrived, and her life is with them, not in the room. She comes home late at night, long after D is in bed. They see each other during morning get-ready time, and when roomie stops by to change or pick up books, and that’s about it. Roomie has never invited D along, and of course D doesn’t feel comfortable inviting herself, so they have never so much as gone to the dining room together. It doesn’t help that on the rare occasions that roomie brings someone to the room, she and the friend(s) speak a foreign language in front of D, excluding her in the most obvious possible way. </p>

<p>Feeling rejected in her own room has not been the only problem, but it set the tone. It undermined her confidence, and she has not been able to connect with anyone else. She saw other students making that early first connection with the roommate during orientation, and did not have the same experience everyone else had, the experience she should have had. She felt left out and left behind from Day One, and has never recovered. She very likely will not return for spring semester.</p>

<p>LasMa-- that was me exactly, though my roommate and her friends excluded me in plain english. Because I transferred from a community college and as such am much older than the typical person in this situation, (as well as already adjusted into a more lonely groove from how CC went for me) I think I am coping better than your D has, but I was severely disappointed by how things turned out in my residence hall and have still not quite recovered from it. I know that should feel silly, roommate relations play such a small part in the grand scheme of things, but I am not to a point yet where enough of the sting of rejection has faded that I can feel the appropriate level of disappointment. And I mean, when you live with somebody every day for eight months it’s pretty hard not to wake up and feel like you are being rejected again every single day, if you are one more prone to those kinds of feelings-- as I think many are when they havent been able to “branch out” and find other support systems. There are times when I have feel like I have lost all the self confidence I had gained since graduating from high school and it’s like I am doing that stage of my life all over again. I am old enough and mature enough to know I have got to get over it and find ways to branch out even if my confidence is shaken by seeing the relative ease of my floormates social lives, but dear god is it TOUGH now! I can totally understand why your D has had a difficult time recovering. The start of college, whether you are an entering freshman or a community college transfer, is a very vulnerable time for many and when you take what feels like a major hit early on it is hard to repair the damage.</p>

<p>LasMa–I’m really sorry your daughter is still feeling lonely. I think that’s such a tough thing to see and hear about. Sometimes, when things don’t work out, kids end up in a better situation. A friend of mine’s D did not like her school and never really fit in there and transfered closer to home to a much better school. Good luck to you guys.</p>

<p>Twisted–I’m really sad to hear that. You’re such a sweet person. I hope you find your people, soon.</p>