<p>For undergrad. UCB rank #21, I think it is still overrated.
Because for elite (top 5) law scholl:
1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. NYU
elite (top 5) Med School:
1. Harvard
2. JHU
3. Washington U @ St. Louis
4. UPenn
5. UC-San Francisco
elite (Top 5) Business School
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
2. UPenn (Wharton)
4. MIT
4. Northwestern</p>
<p>For undergrad. students got to elite Med., Business, or Law Schools:</p>
<p>Applied to Harvard Med School (#1)
2003 0% Acceptance
2002 2%
2001 1%
applied to JHU Med School (#2)
2003 2%
2002 3%
2001 0%
applied to Washington (#3)
2003 11%
2002 9%
2001 8%
applied to UPenn(#4)
2003 0%
2002 2%
2001 3%
applied to UC-San Francisco
2003 9%
2002 10%
2001 8%</p>
<p>The applicants usually are UCB's top 10% students.</p>
<p>If you check with the major I-banking Company (I mean high pay). The total numbers of student they hire divided by whole student body compared to the Ivies is still way below.</p>
<p>For graduate school, especially engineering and science UCB is a world class
university. For undergrad. it is fair @ #21.</p>
<p>"If you check with the major I-banking Company (I mean high pay). The total numbers of student they hire divided by whole student body compared to the Ivies is still way below."</p>
<p>I think that's an unfair argument, Tokai. Investment banks have always been known to be East-Coast biased - partly because the most elite schools are there, partly because its easier to recruit from Columbia than to ask some CA kid to relocate 3000 miles away, partly because of blue-blooded snobbery. Plus you can't divide the number of i-banking hires by the student body! Berkeley has roughly 4x the number of students that Harvard does!</p>
<p>Lastly, Haas undergrad is amazing. If you're going to pickon Berkeley, I suggest you find a different subject.</p>
<p>this tokacoarbon or whatever is just another one of these guys that that thinks there are only three jobs in the world. If you don't practice law or aren't a doctor or banker you are just not living. That must be really fullfilling work, huh? Is that why you spend your time on a website full of highschool and college kids? Boy, I hope when I'm fifty I can be happy enough in my own life and job that I don't have to go on the internet and talk crap about colleges.</p>
<p>"this tokacoarbon or whatever is just another one of these guys that that thinks there are only three jobs in the world. If you don't practice law or aren't a doctor or banker you are just not living."</p>
<p>Bill Gate must be a total failure. He is not a doctor, lawyer or i-banker ... and a Harvard drop-out!</p>
<p>USNews UG business rankings:
1. University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) 4.8
2. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology (Sloan) 4.7
3. University of CaliforniaBerkeley (Haas) 4.5 </p>
<p>Wharton is arguably better as the #1 ranked program, but Haas is right behind and certainly its peers. Northwestern has no undergrad business program ... so I have no idea what you are comparing with.</p>
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<p>GentlemanandScholar,</p>
<p>Hmmm...are you projecting yourself to others? It seems kinda low (gentleman?) to intentionally put Northwestern together with Pepperdine and BU when you know (don't tell me you never read US News ranking) very well Northwestern is way above Pepperdine and BU. TheCity may be wrong on some of his points, but at least he recognize Berkeley's prestige at the graduate level and never place Berkeley with, say, CalPoly!</p>
<p>By the way, asking where Northwestern is on UG business ranking just shows how much you don't know.</p>
<p>"However, when I looked at the cross-admit numbers, virtually nobody who gets into HYPS chooses to enroll at Berkeley."</p>
<p>This is probably due to the fact that people who apply to HYPS have the money to go there. UCB is one of the tops schools in the nation, no doubt, but it is not filled with people who can afford to go to HYPS.</p>
<p>Hey Sam Lee, nice job editing your post. You do realize that it shows the time that you edited it, don't you? I mean, if you felt like insulting me why not just add a new post? And by the way, could you be projecting yourself (whatever that means) because you studied at Northwestern?</p>
<p>I saw your "where's Northwestern's UG business" post first and responded quickly before I saw how you intentionally put down Northwestern. That's why the edit. You got problem with that?? Yes, I went to Northwestern and it doesn't change the fact you were low in talking crap about other schools, does it?</p>
<p>"This is probably due to the fact that people who apply to HYPS have the money to go there. UCB is one of the tops schools in the nation, no doubt, but it is not filled with people who can afford to go to HYPS."</p>
<p>With the endowments and aggressive (need based) financial aid programs of HYPS, they're more affordable than Berkeley. If one has money, they can likely fit the Harvard bill. If one doesn't, Harvard will meet their calculated financial need. You see how this works? Berkeley, however, won't always be able to meet one's financial need, despite the gap between the cost of attendance and one's EFC being smaller. </p>
<p>Ironically enough, the people who do have the money to go to HYPS would make a better financial decision by going to Berkeley. Saying Berkeley is filled with people who couldn't afford HYPS is erroneous. And if that was the reasoning behind many at Berkeley who didn't apply to HYPS... well... perhaps they didn't deserve HYPS.</p>
<p>No, Dirty Harry, I don't have a problem with that. But since you read my earlier posts so closely I'm sure you saw that TheCity was talking alot more crap about my school than I have about his (and your) school. Just to refresh your memory, about Cal he said, "other than that, there are no other universities which combine the wanton disregard for undergraduates with the incredibly rich and powerful graduate and research programs. For an undergraduate, the experience, from what i hear, is most like any large State school..."
I took offense to that and thought I'd give him a taste of his own medicine. If he (or you) are ignorant enough to make statements like that then I'll dish out some ignorant statements of my own just to get him (or you) riled up. You got a problem with that? Do you, punk?</p>
<p>Themegastud, that is not correct. You are talking of the extremes. Students who can afford to pay $50,000 to attend H,P,S,Y and M come from families with household incomes of $200,000+. And students who get need-based aid (the only kind of aid H,P,S,Y and M give) come from families with family incomes below $80,000. There is a huge gap in there. A California student with a family income of say $110,000 have to pay $20,000 to attend Cal and $50,000 to attend H,P,S,Y and M. Which would that student be able to afford?</p>
<p>Even if he said "Berkeley's undergrad experience is like other state universities", he/she probably referred to large classes, professors not attentive to undergrads' needs..etc. It's a common myth and many people have that perception about all public universities. It doesn't mean he's saying Berkeley is at the level of, say, Cal State Northridge. Alexandre has seen many perceiving Michigan as just that and he uses his personal experience to counter that. Maybe TheCity truly shares the view of many (instead of purposely riling you up like you assumed) and you could have explained to him how Berkeley is different instead.</p>
<p>It doesn't matter what I say, someone will tell me that Cal is 31st in getting people into the top origami grad programs, or something as enlightening as that. And yes, by saying that Cal is like any other large state school he IS saying that its like Cal State Northridge, and I'm willing to bet that Northwestern is alot closer to Tufts than Cal is to Cal state Northridge. Saying things like what TheCity said makes it obvious to me that he is picking a fight, so I'll do what I can to give him (or anyone else) that fight.</p>
<p>alexandre.. thats not entirely true... my parents have a combined income of about 180k... my brother and I both attend Northwestern, which costs just as much as all teh schools you mentioned. We both get 20k in grant aid. </p>
<p>gentleman.. i dont quite understand what you are saying here. Nobody tried to compare berkeley's reputation to cal state northridge.. i think what i was trying to say was that CSUs have an undergraduate focus, and UCs have a graduate focus. Neither NU or Tufts say that they stress one or the other.</p>
<p>TheCity, We're not really talking about reputations though. If we were just talking about reputations then I couldn't even mention Northwestern because it doesn't really have one. Of course that doesn't meant that its not a very decent school, just that its not very well known, like pepperdine or tufts. Yes, Cal has a grad school focus, but guess who else does too? Harvard, Stanfurd, Duke, Umich, ________(put your favorite research school here). Does that make them bad schools? Of course not, just like Northwestern isn't neccesaraly a bad school just because the majority of the world has never heard of it.</p>