<p>I do. Suck it up, perception is perception.</p>
<p>“Anyone who knows anything about colleges knows that Cornell is a lower Ivy”</p>
<p>You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but that does not justify the above statement. There are plenty of people who ‘know something’ about colleges who would disagree. Among other attributes, Cornell boasts a highly distinguished faculty which is certainly not at the “lower” end of Ivy League institutions in terms of quality. You are making the common error of mistaking admissions rates for quality.</p>
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Interested in seeing how many responses you can get? The most notable thread along these lines, started roughly five years ago, garnered no fewer than 948 posts. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/158909-if-ivy-league-added-2-schools-would-they.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/158909-if-ivy-league-added-2-schools-would-they.html</a></p>
<p>It’s remarkable (and boring) how many topics never seem to change or go away.</p>
<p>No I’m not. Look at cross-admissions and average SAT/GPA scores, along with yield.
HYP, then Penn/Columbia/Brown/Dartmouth, lastly Cornell.
I’ve heard people say that theyd apply to Cornell just because they wanted to go to an Ivy school. Can you think of any other Ivy where that’s the case?</p>
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<p>It won’t get you into any of those schools any quicker 
but if you do get in, I suggest you drop that way of talking. The kids with that attitude usually aren’t taken seriously.</p>
<p>Who said I want to go to Cornell?
This shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone. Look at the “Weakest/Easiest Ivy” threads. It’s pretty conclusive.</p>
<p>What would happen if a school left the Ivy League? Well, GPAs would go down. :)</p>
<p>All kidding aside, I posted to defend Cornell. At least in my field (CS), it’s considered to be the strongest Ivy - and also one of the very best schools for theoretical CS.</p>
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<p>and most of those threads are written by high schoolers or students that don’t even attend the schools. All I’m saying is that splitting hairs between top schools is pretty, well, stupid. If you’re lucky to get into any of them (since admissions is tough), then it will come as a surprise to YOU once you’re on campus in the fall that the “competition” between which schools are low/weak/inferior/“need the ivy league name” won’t be topics of conversation. And you’ll realize that despite your school perhaps being “weaker” or “lower,” you’ll still have a **** load of work to do to do well. Hopefully that will be your main concern.</p>
<p>From attending a “top” school and talking to friends at other top schools, there are definitely students that still like to dwell over this, but those kids are usually in the minority and aren’t taken seriously. Instead of ranking other schools, concentrate on the school that you’re attending, and concentrate on succeeding and doing something with that degree that the university will give you.</p>
<p>@bzva74. Who said Cornell would accept you?</p>
<p>And if you look at the “Rank the Ivies” threads from 5+ years ago, Cornell was usually 4-5 while Dartmouth or Penn was considered last. Perceptions change pretty quickly, so stop bashing a school that could easily switch places in 5+ years (and one that you’ve never been to).</p>
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<p>Aha! Contradiction will ALWAYS get you killed one day. Or so it was during the times of Imperial Japan. You should be glad it isn’t the 1800s. </p>
<p>Any false rumors or statements proposed by people like you claiming Cornell is the worst Ivy school that deserves to be kicked out is misleading. Cornell is actually very difficult to get into. I’d like to see a brat like you try to get in.</p>
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<p>That’s most of the threads on this website. Perception doesn’t change how professors teach or many research opportunities a university has. I can’t say that I know anything about Cornell or have looked at these threads that people are referencing, but I can say people get things wrong a lot, especially when they don’t know what they’re talking about. If a bunch of people who go/went to Cornell come in here and say the place is ******** compared to the other Ivy League schools that they have also attended, then alright.</p>
<p>The Ivy League is pretty much obsolete and more symbolic if anything. The quality of education in the clique varies greatly and the prestige of the Ivies are compromised by the exclusion of Stanford, MIT, and Caltech. What worse, the Ivies completely fail in terms of engineering and all these three rogue universities excel greatly in the area.</p>
<p>The demand for the lower Ivies would just plummet if they exited. I could see Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth plummeting below top 20 going solo. Yale and Princeton are too similar and their presence in the Ivy League would have little impact on the Ivy League as a whole or the individual universities.</p>
<p>If Harvard left, the Ivy League would be officially dead. (Not even Yale or Princeton would be enough to prop it up.) There is just too much BS riding on the Ivy League house of cards and Harvard is the foundation.</p>
<p>Cornell receives by far the most applications in the Ivies. It has outstanding academics and students. Its beautiful campus is set on a hill in what’s oft considered America’s best college town. Its admit rate is higher only because it has the most seats to fill. Other schools choose to lower their admit rate and raise their yield by admitting more of their class ED. Cornell’s liberal arts college [CAS] received 16 applications for every seat last year. Its engineering college is broadly considered the best in the Ivies. Cornell’s other more specialized colleges are frequently considered the best of their kind in the country, if not the world [e.g. hotel, architecture, A&LS].</p>
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<p>I used to think that location was an issue in terms of conference compatibility…only to watch TCU join the Big East.</p>
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<p>But why do you need a balanced schedule? The (absurdly named) Big 10 has had an odd number of members for 2 decades and they seem to have done fine.</p>
<p>remove Cornell and add Duke.
Also, remove Brown and add MIT.
This Ivy League looks much better than the present one.
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
MIT
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Duke</p>
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<p>I’m not so sure about that. Granted, the chances may be low. But I don’t think they’re zero. After all, the Ivy League is simply an athletic conference, and athletic conference membership changes all the time. Who would have ever thought that the Big 12 would have 10 members and both the Pac-10 and Big-10 would have 12 members? But that’s what will happen. Who would have ever thought that Notre Dame would ever surrender its independence to join a conference, and yet they did in every single sport where their conference provides the sport…except for football. Who would have thought that the old Southwest Conference - one of the most successfully athletic conferences in history - would have completely collapsed? </p>
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<p>Frankly, I don’t buy the logic that a school has to be academically compatible with the other members in order to be admitted into a conference. A conference is purely an athletic administrative body, nothing more.</p>
<p>As a case in point, the Pac-10 has several excellent academic schools such as Berkeley, Stanford, and UCLA… and also has Arizona State, Washington State, and Oregon State. The ACC has top-ranked schools such as Duke, Virginia, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech…and also has Florida State. Even the SEC - perennially derided as a lowbrow conference where football reigns far above academics - nevertheless includes Vanderbilt. </p>
<p>Heck, even right now, some ostensibly “Ivy” universities are actually not “Ivies” at all but are actually members of other conferences when it comes to certain sports. For example, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, and Cornell (hence every “Ivy” except Columbia and Penn) are, strictly speaking, actually not Ivy schools at all when it comes to college hockey, but rather are members of the Eastern College Athletic Conference, which also happens to include…Clarkson University (ranked #124 according to USNews).</p>
<p>If it’s perfectly fine for HYP every year to play in hockey a school that is ranked in the triple digits, I don’t see why the Ivy League couldn’t admit a member of relatively low academic ranking for the other sports.</p>
<p>What would happen if one of the planets decided to leave the solar system? </p>
<p>Answer: Such speculation is a waste of time because the planets simply are not leaving. </p>
<p>It’s the same with the Ivy League.</p>
<p>The solar system had nine planets when I was a kid. Now it has eight.</p>