<p>Just wondering what the real difference is job wise and why? Differences? Experiences? ...</p>
<p>People on this board will probably tell you that a degree from a CSU isn’t as good as one from a UC, especially the top ones such as UCSD, UC Berkeley, or UCLA, but the truth is no employer will care much about where you got your degree, except perhaps(from what I’ve heard) for your first job out of college when you don’t have much experience for the field you’re trying to enter.</p>
<p>In the world of employment, CSU degrees = UC degrees.</p>
<p>I agree with Cayton. Where you get your degree from don’t matter as much as your work experience or the people that you know. Those are the true determinants when searching for a job.</p>
<p>I can tell you that outside of California most people don’t know much about the strength of a UC. Employers from other states will usually hire Graduates from that states flagship,and top Private schools over a Grad from an out of state school.</p>
<p>Your job prospects will always be the strongest in the region or state you graduate from.</p>
<p>@stanx89</p>
<p>If you graduate from UC Berkeley or UCLA(More so UC Berkeley), you might still be competitive for certain jobs outside of California. Those names carry quite a bit of clout throughout the country and throughout the world.</p>
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<p>In a nutshell unless you do a prestigious major then all you have going for you is the reputation of that school (and your GPA). Job wise, it’s all depend on whatever YOU make of it.</p>
<p>P.S. UCLA, Berkeley, Stanford & USC are the only schools in CA with national brand recognition because they all have football teams.</p>
<p>Are there any differences in the educational experience? And why do people choose UC’s over CSU’s if they’re the same result?</p>
<p>And @Cayton why does UCB hold so much clout?? They’ve gotten a lot of tarnishing at least according to History, they came up with the idea of Eugenics and many other really stupid things, just saying.</p>
<p>@Cayton I kind of agree with you, but I still think you are more competitive with a degree from an instate institution. For instance if you went to UT Austin and you apply for a job in Texas you will be much more competitive than an applicant with a degree from UCLA.</p>
<p>I am in no way taking away the power UC degree. These are the top schools in the country for a reason. I just think your degree with have the most effect in the state of California.</p>
<p>Bomerr is correct any UC outside of that in probably unknown and will be harder to be employed with a degree from there.</p>
<p>This is why schools put so much money into sports because it gets your school recognition. That’s how you build prestige thru recognition.</p>
<p>Yes there will be an education difference. </p>
<p>1st and foremost the grading will be more harsh and you’ll be expected to preform at a high level. e.g. read more pages per night, write longer papers, write better papers, etc. </p>
<p>^ This is important because if you want to goto graduate school then the extra rigor will be well worth it.</p>
<p>2nd and probably more important is you could have professors who actually do research/work in their fields. For instance the art class and geology class I took at CC were great because the teachers actually did stuff in their fields. They had 1st hand experience/viewpoints and were very passionate about their subjects. On the other-hand my political science and ethics teacher weren’t doing any of their own work. So the classes felt boring; like I was getting 2nd hand information.</p>
<p>^Speaking of jobs this point is very important because those professors at big name universities who have access to their fields can help give you access through research projects or internship hookups, etc.</p>
<p>@stanx89</p>
<p>You’re probably right. It will probably be most beneficial here, in California.</p>
<p>@Matt4200</p>
<p>Yes, UC Berkeley is sadly the historic home of eugenics and also has an unwanted reputation for being super-liberal, but it has a strong reputation among academics and laypeople alike because it has been involved in many impressive scientific and possibly humanistic endeavors. It has more top-10 ranked departments than <em>Harvard University</em>. It’s also been around for a very long time, and older colleges generally have more prestige; It was the first UC and was only called “University of California” until UCLA opened its doors in 1919. And up until recently(In the past 10 years or so), it received generous amounts of funding from the state of California, the wealthiest state in the country. All of these factors combined made UC Berkeley into one of the premier campuses in the world and the top public university in the U.S.</p>
<p>The UC system is generally recognized as one of the best, if not the best, public university system in the world because of these factors.</p>
<p>So in other words when CC professors give “Easy A’s” they’re not really doing you any favors, and in fact the people accepted to UC’s because they coasted through CC with these type of professors are in for a rude awakening at the UC’s and likely will be underprepared and may end up not doing very well when they go to a UC?</p>
<p>Yeah I think this is true and I really appreciate my English professor who pushed everyone in her class to work harder and write stronger papers, she used to teach at USC but got tired of all the silver spoon kids as she puts it.</p>
<p>Is there a difference in the grading among the UC’s or is it pretty much the same?</p>
<p>@matt4200 The average College student is upper middle to very wealthy students. So I think the silver spoon is evenly distributed amongst all Universities.</p>
<p>Transfer students are usually not well prepared for university level work. It takes some time to adjust. This is what I have been told by some of my friends that have transferred to UC’s.</p>
<p>The UC’s and most Universiteis use plus/minus grading.</p>
<p>Someone in another thread said that only 50% of the Econ transfers to Berkeley actually make it into the program. I’ve heard similar things about UCLA’s Biz-Econ. </p>
<p>From what I’ve been told CC is like AP difficult. Those of us who goto CC for our GEs then transfer directly into upper-divison classes get quite a shock because we missed out on true university level undergrad courses. </p>
<p>I’d still recommend “Easy A” teachers because the hard teachers aren’t necessary good.</p>
<p>@stanx89- Where do you get this? “The average college student is upper middle to very wealthy students”.</p>
<p>LMAO that’s kinda laughable …every college and university I’ve looked at states that about 60%+ of their students receive financial aid.</p>
<p>In America the middle class has practically disappeared so I really don’t see where u get this idea.</p>
<p>As for the silver spoon comment that’s her reasoning and each person has their own opinions.</p>
<p>@Bomerr - I think some professors will give you actual undergrad work and some will give you AP level work it all depends on what you take and with who.</p>
<p>Here’s a review of my professor from someone on RMP:</p>
<p>“xxxxxxxx embodies who a normal four-year professor would be. She doesn’t take crap, expects hard work, and pushes students to think! Her class is not meant for the lazy, expect to be pushed but also expect to improve your skill drastically. I think she is awesome and her methods help students succeed. Stimulating, no nonsense environment.”</p>
<p>I think this represents the opinions of most of her students (though some complain she’s too hard) she gives you work that definitely prepares you for college undergrad level writing, I hated English but now I’m much better for taking her.</p>
<p>Berkeley is consistently ranked top 3 public schools in the nation. High ranking officials, politicians, wealthy businessman, etc. have all graduated from Berkeley. I’m sure there won’t be much problems finding a job anywhere in the country with a degree from Berkeley.</p>
<p>As for the grading system, I saw a video lecture from an Economics course at Berkeley and the syllabus distributed grades by a percentage: 25% A’s, 35% B’s, 40% C’s.<br>
[Economics</a> 1 - Lecture 1 - YouTube](<a href=“- YouTube”>- YouTube) Link to the video. It’s around the 17:30 mark.</p>
<p>Yes matt4200, the grading is harder at UC because the level of work is much tougher, and you’re expected to do more “work.” But this will mainly depend on what type of student YOU are.</p>
<p>@Refreshe18 - “‘Work’” ??</p>
<p>I don’t know if this “shock” that transfer students are said to experience upon transferring is all that pronounced or even that common. Transfer students seem to do roughly as well as freshman students do in upper-division coursework and have similar GPAs as well.</p>
<p>Obviously, there’ll be many transfer students who don’t agree, but it’s not like there’s an epidemic of transfer students flunking out of top universities they transfer to. There’d be a serious problem with the higher education system if that were the case, but there doesn’t seem to be because transfer students do just fine, <em>for the most part.</em></p>
<p>In any case, I’d recommend not taking easy A courses as bomerr says CC students should do. You may be doing yourself a huge disservice by taking easy courses.</p>
<p>Personally, I used ratemyprofessors to find professors with high ratings in “helpfulness” and “clarity” but with lower ratings in “easiness”. I’ve benefited immensely from taking classes taught by these kinds of professors.</p>
<p>@Cayton -Agreed</p>
<p>@Matt4200</p>
<p>[The</a> Diploma Gap Between Rich and Poor - Bloomberg](<a href=“Bloomberg - Are you a robot?”>Bloomberg - Are you a robot?)</p>
<p>I should of stated that people who graduate from a college usually come from the upper wealth spectrum. When colleges state the Financial aid that they offer they never state the graduation rates. I think it’s a waste to grant financial aid to a student who does not graduate or drops out due to financial reasons. </p>
<p><a href=“As Wealthy Fill Top Colleges, Concerns Grow Over Fairness - The New York Times”>As Wealthy Fill Top Colleges, Concerns Grow Over Fairness - The New York Times;
Another article by the New York times. </p>
<p>Like I said the average college student who is successful is wealthy. Also I can tell you out of all my friends who are dirt poor I’m the only one in college. No one else can afford even with all the grants and financial aid given. If they did take advantage of those resources they’re no longer enrolled in college. for financial reasons.</p>
<p>@ Cayton, probably because someone good enough to pull off all As at CC is good enough to adapt to the new challenges of Uni; hence the reason I say to take easy As. Plus most majors don’t kick you out unless you get Ds.</p>
<p>Some majors like UCLA Biz Econ or UCB Econ require a certain GPA to be admitted. 2.7 for Econ at UCB after your 1st semester. Not surprisingly a good number (like half) of the people that transfer from a CC into those programs do get dropped.</p>